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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Oh, I agree reading a lot of these posts. The posters never realizes. But I too am guilty of being a hypocrite at times, I think all of us are and when we are, we really do not realize it. It is always easier to see where the hypocrisy come forth looking from the outside than the inside. Being a backer of Perot and I still claim the Reform Party membership, he taught me to take a few steps back, get rid of those dark tinted red or blue colored glasses, put in ear plugs so you do not listen to their rhetoric, talking points and slogans, then just watch how they govern. There really isn't that much of a difference, they trim around the edges and that is about all, but to listen to the two major parties you would think they are polar opposites.
    I agree, and in some ways it seems that previously similar positions have been changed for the express of being as oppositional as possible.

    Thinking about one of the biggest debates of the last few years, I am confident that Obama and the Dems really believe they would have significant republican support for the Affordable Care Act (not trying to start a HC debate) since they pulled the plan directly from the Heritage Foundation. I think they were genuinely surprised there was zero support and engagement for what was previously acknowledge as the best capitalist version of universal healthcare. And sadly, if the plan had not had to have been cobbled together with only Dem votes (and their corresponding special interests) the final bill may have been pretty good.

    We have heard Republicans say out loud that they decided to be against things just because Obama was for them.

    I know these things can go both ways, but I think that one side is more blatantly oppositional than the other.

    Having been an R for 20 years and an I and D for 10, I feel like I get the ideologies of all of them, and I was actually turned away from the R's because I not participate in the hypocrisy of the Clinton witch hunt, even tough I voted against him twice.

    I have come to believe that people interested In Finding common ground have mostly given up.
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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yeah the democrats aren't raising a dime off a classroom of dead 6 year olds
    Oh yeah and the NRA hasn't made a handful off of it too.
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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    I agree, and in some ways it seems that previously similar positions have been changed for the express of being as oppositional as possible.

    Thinking about one of the biggest debates of the last few years, I am confident that Obama and the Dems really believe they would have significant republican support for the Affordable Care Act (not trying to start a HC debate) since they pulled the plan directly from the Heritage Foundation. I think they were genuinely surprised there was zero support and engagement for what was previously acknowledge as the best capitalist version of universal healthcare. And sadly, if the plan had not had to have been cobbled together with only Dem votes (and their corresponding special interests) the final bill may have been pretty good.

    We have heard Republicans say out loud that they decided to be against things just because Obama was for them.

    I know these things can go both ways, but I think that one side is more blatantly oppositional than the other.

    Having been an R for 20 years and an I and D for 10, I feel like I get the ideologies of all of them, and I was actually turned away from the R's because I not participate in the hypocrisy of the Clinton witch hunt, even tough I voted against him twice.

    I have come to believe that people interested In Finding common ground have mostly given up.

    Yes, it does seem if one party if for something the other is automatically against it even if they were for it before. I don’t really know much about the ACA, but I watched it get passed on C-Span and the way the Democrats had to bribe and threaten members of their own party to vote for it, that turned me off. Not the ACA it self, but the Democrats in congress. Yep, the Republicans do a lot of being against something just because Obama is for something. I think they use the filibuster way too much, but on the other hand Senator Reid tabling almost every bill sent to the senate from the house probably has something to do with that. This could be one of those which came first, the chicken or the egg routine as to who started this.

    I actually thought back in December of 2010 that we may have something good going. Obama agreeing to extend the tax cuts, the Republicans passing the START treaty and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now. Then came January and everything went south.

    I have never belong to either party, pretty much have been a best candidate voter. Being from Georgia, I tended to vote D locally and R nationally for a long time. Then Perot came along and I have voted third party in 5 out of the last 6 presidential elections. Yeah, the witch hunt on Clinton was kind of ridicules. Yeah, I know he lied to congress, so censure him, that might have passed both chambers. But you have to give Clinton credit, he continued to work with congress and they achieved as close to a balanced budget as you’re probably going to get.

    As for finding common ground, in the senate I think you have to get rid of Reid and McConnell both and replace them with leaders interested in solving problems and looking out for America and her future instead of only looking for what is good for your political party. I might recommend Alexander on the Republican side, maybe a Pryor or a Udall on the Democratic side.

    The house, it does seem at times Boehner would be willing to work with the president, then it seems members of his own party tend to rebel at that thought. So it is my opinon even if Boehner is willing, he won’t work with the president if he wants to remain speaker and so we are back to gridlock.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Oh yeah and the NRA hasn't made a handful off of it too.
    No clue, not a member, nor is it an organization I am particularly fond of.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    There has to be a lot more than that. It just doesn't make sense, but since when did politics make any sense.
    Noonan explains it quite well.Noonan: The Inconvenient Truth About Benghazi - WSJ.com

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    The problem with the "they couldn't have helped anyway" excuse is that no one knew that at the time the stand down order was issued. Unless, of course, you're claiming the US government has psychic abilities which is a whole other topic (in Off Topic Discussions).
    They also didn't know at the time how long the attack would continue. It could have gone on for another 24 hours and help would not have been sent.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There are a multitude of reasons to stand down. Number one is that sending more soldiers into a fight when the enemy is an unknown as far as strength could leave more dead Americans. In short, helicopters get shot down easily. In this case though it is likely that the Ambassador was already dead.
    Hillary and Barry decided that the Ambassador was already dead so it was time to call it a night? That's not as great an excuse as you might hope it to be.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is just like gerrymandering. When the Republican's gerrymandered Texas after the 2010 census, the Democrats cried high crimes and misdemeanors and accused the Republicans of jury rigging elections. Then the democrats happily gerrymandered Illinois it was the republicans turn to cry high crimes and misdemeanors and jury rigging elections. As long as you have people that believe it is more important to be Republican or Democrat than an American, these things will continue to go on and America as a country will continue to suffer.
    At least Republicans are proud of being an American. Democrats can't make such a claim.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Really? Because you just said the crime is:

    So it sounds as if you are talking about the same thing I am, not giving those who committed the crime in Libya notification that they are under suspicion......which was what the SoS office used as a reason for not wanting the WH to say it was "terrorism" by any particular group.
    Rather clever of Barry Obama to tells lies in order that Islamic terrorists not realize that they might be under suspicion. Of course if they read your post their cover is blown.

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    Re: Republicans raising money off Benghazi effort

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I can't disagree with that assessment, but hes no different than anybody else who has held that job. Which is to protect the president.
    The "they all do it" excuse. It never seems to go away.

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