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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Keeping the premises safe was the responsibility of the Libyans

    http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/ins...s/9_1_1961.pdf
    No, but hell know, the responsibility is OUR'S, where did you ever get the idea that Libya was capable of anything. If Hillery thought Libya was capable of providing security of our embassy, she is far more stupid that I thought she was. Do you recall any Libya security personal killed in the attack? Who was our ambassador screaming at for more security, let me remind you. It was stupid Hillery's department.

    You can keep making excuses all you want to try and shore up stupidity, ignorance, incompetence, political coverup for self gain, and all the rest but it does not fly. Obama and his administration is a sham, an embarrassment to this country, and worse his lack of regard that we have our men and woman's back who are in arms way. He is a disgrace to this country.
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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    There was secret diplomacy that took place during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    NATO has missiles in Turkey.

    The Soviets wanted the NATO missiles removed from Turkey.

    Soviets put missiles in Cuba.

    Soviets told Robert Kennedy that if NATO removes missiles from Turkey, they will remove missiles from Cuba.

    Soviets agree to keep this secret to save JFK from looking weak.

    This was kept secret from the American people for twenty years.

    >" Over the years, many scholars of the Cuban Missile Crisis came strongly to suspect that Robert Kennedy had, in fact, relayed a pledge from his brother to take out the Jupiters from Turkey in exchange for the Soviet removal of nuclear missiles from Cuba, so long as Moscow kept the swap secret; yet senior former Kennedy Administration officials, such as then-National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy and then-Secretary of State Dean Rusk, continued to insist that RFK had passed on no more than an informal assurance rather than an explicit promise or agreement.

    The first authoritative admission on the U.S. side that the Jupiters had actually been part of a "deal" came at a conference in Moscow in January 1989, after glasnost had led Soviet (and then Cuban) former officials to participate in international scholarly efforts to reconstruct and assess the history of the crisis. At that meeting, former Kennedy speechwriter Theodore Sorensen (and the uncredited editor of Thirteen Days) admitted, after prodding from Dobrynin, that he had taken it upon himself to edit out a "very explicit" reference to the inclusion of the Jupiters in the final deal to settle the crisis. "< -> The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962: Anatomy of a Controversey

    Let me know if you want to hear the truth about the Bay Of Pigs fiasco.
    What military in their right mind would go from the USSR across the Atlantic and attempt to put nuclear silos in Cuba? This was an attempted flank - not an attempt to be diplomatic with aggression. The USSR and Khrushchev highly underrated the our capabilities.

    There was nothing diplomatic about the Cuban Missile Crisis considering nothing was talked out and it was nothing but a cat and muse game..

    Bay of Pigs??? Jeez... That epic failure.

    Probably the biggest military blunder in the 20th century.

    Please tell me about the Bay of Pigs.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    [QUOTE=Mr.Nick;1061792165]If JFK was the president today progressives would label him a "promiscuous paranoid drug addicted neo-con."[/QUOTE]
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    Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
    especially under this secretary of state

    At the same hearing, Republican members asked Hicks and Eric Nordstrom, who had been the regional security officer (the State Department’s top onsite security official) at the U.S. Embassy in Libya until July 26, 2012, whether the State Department;s Benghazi compound, where Amb. Stevens was killed on Sept. 1, 2012, met the department’s Overseas Security Policy Board (OSBP) standards. Nordstrom noted that they did not meet those standards or the standards of the Secure Embassy Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999 (SECCA)—and that only Secretary Clinton had the authority to send diplomats to a facility that did not meet the SECCA standards.

    “Mr. Hicks, when you arrived in July, did the facilities of Benghazi meet the minimum OSPB security standards set by the State Department?” asked Rep. Lankford.

    “According to the Regional Security Officer at the time in Tripoli, John Martinec, they did not,” said Hicks.

    “Do you think they were close to meeting the standards?” Rep. Lankford asked Hicks about both the Tripoli embassy and the Benghazi facility.

    “No, sir,” said Hicks.

    “Now, Mr. Nordstrom, same thing to you,” said Rep. Gowdy. “And if I'm unfair in my characterization, you need to correct me. I thought I understood your testimony to be that Secretary Clinton alone was able to approve facilities that were below specs.”

    “That's correct--part of the specs; certain, certain, there's two categories, SECCA and OSPB. She can--is the only one that can authorize waivers for SECCA. In this case, both apply because we didn't meet either.”

    Rep. Gowdy said: “So, we are able to show that in part he went to Benghazi because of Secretary Clinton. In part, Benghazi was still open despite the fact it was below specs because of Secretary Clinton.”

    When Clinton visited Libya in October 2011, according to the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, the U.S. Defense Department prepositioned assets off the coast of Libya in case it needed to rescue her.
    Testimony: Stevens Sent to Unsafe Compound | CNS News

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hopefully, the "youtube video" BS was about chasing down the perpetrators before they knew that we knew.
    If that was the plan then chalk up another in a long line of failed plans because the perps are still running free.
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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What military in their right mind would go from the USSR across the Atlantic and attempt to put nuclear silos in Cuba? This was an attempted flank - not an attempt to be diplomatic with aggression. The USSR and Khrushchev highly underrated the our capabilities.

    There was nothing diplomatic about the Cuban Missile Crisis considering nothing was talked out and it was nothing but a cat and muse game..

    Bay of Pigs??? Jeez... That epic failure.

    Probably the biggest military blunder in the 20th century.

    Please tell me about the Bay of Pigs.
    I'm curious, where did you get your information on the Cuban Missile Crisis? Your account is one I cannot recognize.

    Diplomatic cables between the two countries is what ended the crisis. Restraint and a cool head under pressure, particularly from Kennedy, is what kept this from escalating to a nightmarish nuclear exchange. The bay of pigs was the CIA's fumble, which led to Kennedy criticizing them and expressing his desire to end the program which (conspiracy) may have led to his assassination.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well
    david rhodes is the brother of white house national security adviser for communications ben rhodes

    david rhodes is the president of cbs news

    David Rhodes - CBS News

    yes, ben rhodes' fingerprints on the doctored and dishonest cia advisory have been apparent since stephen hayes at the neocon weekly standard exposed the frantic email chain (which evil darrell issa holds) between foggy bottom, the fbi, cia, nsc, odni and "seniors at the white house" last week in the frantic late evening hours before susan-rice-sunday

    so why is cbs leaning so hard on sharyl attkisson?

    Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News, a persistent voice of media skepticism on Benghazi - The Washington Post

    ask the brothers rhodes

    the coverup is now attempting to extend BEYOND this woebegone and over-worried white house

    i've been very familiar with ms attkisson since her excellent and exclusive work on fast and furious, another sickening scandal and coverup

    seeya at evil issa's inquiries over the next, oh, 18 months or so

    they're gonna be most informative

    party on, progressives

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    If that was the plan then chalk up another in a long line of failed plans because the perps are still running free.
    We don't know that for sure, respecting top level security clearance. The chase is always on, and I don't think we get to see everything.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
    President Margarief (of Libya) came out openly and said it was a terrorist attack that had "nothing to do with the video."

    He did before our own president, in fact.

    Diplomacy was damaged by throwing the Libyan President under the bus, and making up a lie about the video.

    There is no way in hell "diplomacy" was on the minds of those who changed the talking points.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So it's a long standing operational policy of the State Department. Fine, why would Obama or Clinton be crucified for following the policies of their predecessors?
    I think it is because of the times we are in. There was a time when politics ended at the waters edge. Even with today's very partisan divide, I wonder if much would have been made of it if the administration came right out to begin with and said it was a terrorist attack. That would have taken the notion of cover up away.

    As for the lax security or the failure to provide a relief force, it very well could be there was no good choices. Sending in a 4 man SF team from Tripoli via a Libyan aircraft against who really knew at the time the strength of the opposition may have been considered putting more people in harms way and not worth the little help they could have provided. I do not know what they were armed with or much else about them. I do not have the answers.

    Then too some diplomats are very strong headed. If given advance notice that Benghazi might be teeming with the possibility of terrorist or terrorist threats, why didn't Stevens postpone the visit.

    I will sit back and watch, listen and see what comes of this. Each situation is different, perhaps the reason for the first story about the Video is that State never took the threats serious enough. State has done this in the past and almost always got away with it. It is way to early, for me anyway to make a judgement call on this. I am just like everyone else, I sometimes put forth a theory, a supposition, but I wouldn't be surprise if State, the high, high up turned down the request for additional security because their job is diplomacy and they didn't want the military around to interfer with that diplomacy or the relations with Libya.

    Time will tell.
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