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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....

    Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.

    Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.

    As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.
    Actually it is a very good thing we didn't invade Cuba back in 1962 during the missile crisis. Unknow to us, the USSR also had sent tactical Nukes which were armed and ready to repel any invasion and WWIII would have followed. Khrushchev got what he wanted from the affair, Atlas missiles out of Turkey although that part of the deal was kept quite and he removed the missiles from Cuba to include the TacNukes which also was kept secret for a guarantee from JFK that the U.S. would never invade Cuba.
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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Hopefully, the "youtube video" BS was about chasing down the perpetrators before they knew that we knew.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Rockett, I have seen time and time again over 46 years of active duty or working for the army as a civilian, the State Department turn down extra security. They turn it down even when the threat is very real. State thinks their job is diplomacy and visa’s, talk and they also think have a bunch of military around them, who’s job in State’s perception is to kill people and break things deters them from doing their job.

    So did State turn down more security even if asked by an Ambassador, it wouldn’t surprise me. State has done this throughout many, many administrations going back to LBJ for me. It is the mentality of the State Department, diplomacy over security. At least that has been my personal experience.

    So it's a long standing operational policy of the State Department. Fine, why would Obama or Clinton be crucified for following the policies of their predecessors?


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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    BBC News - After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    "This is the first hard evidence that the state department did ask for changes to the CIA's original assessment.

    Specifically, they wanted references to previous warnings deleted and this sentence removed: "We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to al-Qa'ida participated in the attack."

    There's little doubt in my mind that this will haunt Hillary Clinton if she decides to run for president, unless she executes some pretty fancy footwork.

    State department spokesperson Victoria Nuland is directly implicated, and the fingerprints of senior White House aides Ben Rhodes and Jay Carney are there as well."


    so even foreign news organizations are coming around and realizing it is a cover up and apologizing for dismissing it at first
    What lying politicians do is brainstorm the following:

    What do I have to say . . . what had to happen in order for me to come out of this clean? Whatever that is? That's what happened and that's exactly what I'll say.
    When a brainstorming group is put to the task and given weeks to accomplish same, Hillary Clinton could come out smelling like a rose. And yet again the right will be painted as witch hunters. The difference this time is that I think they've found one.
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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's about diplomacy. If we landed a huge invasion force to save 4 people, a lot more than 4 people would have died. Ambassadors know that it can be risky, especially in a place like Libya.
    Rescue mission, invasion, apple, orange.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hopefully, the "youtube video" BS was about chasing down the perpetrators before they knew that we knew.
    So we put an American citizen in jail and is still in jail and will need protection for the rest of his life all for exercising his 1st amendment right for an investigation tactic?
    Last edited by trfjr; 05-10-13 at 03:25 PM.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Kennedy had plenty of plans about assassinating Castro.

    The point is if we just went blowing things up because we felt like it, we wouldn't be here. And if you think diplomacy was in no way involved in diffusing the Cuban Missile Crisis, consider this:

    Napalming a block of terrorists is NOT "blowing **** up."

    Kennedy was a highly medicated nut at best that was obsessed with ending communism. Which I find highly entertaining considering the majority of progressives today view Kennedy as a God but are sympathetic to communism/socialism.

    The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962: Anatomy of a Controversey

    If JFK was the president today progressives would label him a "promiscuous paranoid drug addicted neo-con."

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    So we put an innocent American citizen jail and is still in jail and will need protection for the rest of his life all for exercising his 1st amendment right for an investigation tactic?
    I'm just saying that it's possible that the State Department deliberately went with the "youtube" video deal in order to catch up with the perps before the perps knew we were on to them. Is that likely? No, but it's more pleasing than the other explanations I've heard.

    Regarding the guy who was arrested for that video, he was arrested on other charges (an outstanding warrant) and I'm pretty sure everyone now knows that he had nothing to do with Libya.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually it is a very good thing we didn't invade Cuba back in 1962 during the missile crisis. Unknow to us, the USSR also had sent tactical Nukes which were armed and ready to repel any invasion and WWIII would have followed. Khrushchev got what he wanted from the affair, Atlas missiles out of Turkey although that part of the deal was kept quite and he removed the missiles from Cuba to include the TacNukes which also was kept secret for a guarantee from JFK that the U.S. would never invade Cuba.
    Absolutely.... I know all about it...

    I would call Turkey a consolation prize after Khrushchev was caught attempting to flank...

    The cold war was a chess match, however it just lasted 35-40 years.

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    Re: BBC, After Benghazi revelations, heads will roll

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    WHAT????? The Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't ended due to "diplomacy" - we caught Russia red handed setting up nuclear bases in Cuba via U2 spy plane photos, drilled them about them while they denied it entirely then after they did we presented them with the photos and made the USSR look like total jackasses in front of the world....

    Humility and deception is what ceased the Cuban missile crisis - no diplomacy involved.

    Kennedy would have blown Cuba off the map if he could -- yeah, go read about all his loony ideas on how to invade Cuba, attack Cuba, assassinate Castro etc.... Kennedy was hardly diplomatic.

    As far as the USSR, they had no desire to bomb us or attack us after the Cuban Missile Crisis -- after that both sides were weary about each others intentions.
    There was secret diplomacy that took place during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    NATO has missiles in Turkey.

    The Soviets wanted the NATO missiles removed from Turkey.

    Soviets put missiles in Cuba.

    Soviets told Robert Kennedy that if NATO removes missiles from Turkey, they will remove missiles from Cuba.

    Soviets agree to keep this secret to save JFK from looking weak.

    This was kept secret from the American people for twenty years.

    >" Over the years, many scholars of the Cuban Missile Crisis came strongly to suspect that Robert Kennedy had, in fact, relayed a pledge from his brother to take out the Jupiters from Turkey in exchange for the Soviet removal of nuclear missiles from Cuba, so long as Moscow kept the swap secret; yet senior former Kennedy Administration officials, such as then-National Security Advisor McGeorge Bundy and then-Secretary of State Dean Rusk, continued to insist that RFK had passed on no more than an informal assurance rather than an explicit promise or agreement.

    The first authoritative admission on the U.S. side that the Jupiters had actually been part of a "deal" came at a conference in Moscow in January 1989, after glasnost had led Soviet (and then Cuban) former officials to participate in international scholarly efforts to reconstruct and assess the history of the crisis. At that meeting, former Kennedy speechwriter Theodore Sorensen (and the uncredited editor of Thirteen Days) admitted, after prodding from Dobrynin, that he had taken it upon himself to edit out a "very explicit" reference to the inclusion of the Jupiters in the final deal to settle the crisis. "< -> The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962: Anatomy of a Controversey

    Let me know if you want to hear the truth about the Bay Of Pigs fiasco.

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