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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

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    From the report:
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What makes you think that these groups were as you put it, "...ridiculously likely to need investigation."? You refer to "keywords", well we have that list from the IRS that they were using....

    "The report by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration described in detail the use of “inappropriate criteria” to screen political advocacy groups. An IRS unit created a “lookout” list for organizations with keywords such as “tea party” or “patriot” in their names."

    IG report: ?Inappropriate criteria? stalled IRS approvals of conservative groups - Washington Post

    "The Internal Revenue Service's scrutiny of conservative groups went beyond those with "tea party" or "patriot" in their names—as the agency admitted Friday—to also include ones worried about government spending, debt or taxes, and even ones that lobbied to "make America a better place to live," according to new details of a government probe."

    Wider Problems Found at IRS - WSJ.com

    What about those words, or phrases, other than pure ideology leads you to believe that they need extra scrutiny over say a group with "progress" in their name?
    According to the IG report, there were 96 groups with Tea Party, Patriot, or 9/12 in their names. 17 of these groups were investigated when they shouldn't have been. The rest should have been investigated. It appears that every single group with Tea Party, Patriot, or 9/12 were sent to the investigation.

    That means that 82% of all groups with Tea Party, Patriot, or 9/12 in their title had signs of excessive political activity. In comparison, the IG report estimates that 6% of all groups that did not have Tea Party, Patriot, or 9/12 in their names should have been investigated.

    82% Of these conservative groups needed to be investigated, compared to 6% of everyone else.

    It's hard to argue that these conservative groups were targeted when they shouldn't have been. They were clearly pushing the limits of acceptable political activity. But you do have a point in that there was a better chance for the IRS to miss political activity in groups that did not have Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names.

    You raise a question that needs to be investigated. Was there systematic bias as to which groups were approved and or investigated. Here's what we can say so far. I included the last article because it provides a handy text reference of all groups that were approved. I was even nice enough to go through 1018 names.

    Here's a list of all of the organizations approved. SOI Tax Stats - Exempt Organizations Business Master File Extract (EO BMF)
    The IRS targeted tea party groups. Did liberal groups get better treatment? (contains a handy text list)
    36 have Either Tea Party, 912, or Patriot in their title. 2 have the word conservative. I manually found 32 verifiable groups that were conservative.

    7 have the words progress or progressive, none have the words liberal, or Democrat. And I found 11 groups that were verifiable progressive leaning.

    I also found 8 groups that were political, but non-partisan.

    That's 70 conservative groups approved, and 18 liberal or progressive leaning groups. This is kind of what we would expect, both sides are bending/breaking the rules, but it's an 80/20 conservative/liberal split.

    Oh, and for the record, I put the data in a nice searchable form so I can quickly query the approved lists for any keywords we'd like.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No it was my question to you as it seems you feel (as stated previously) that the IRS is somehow outside the 'limits' of the admin...

    Actually I meant purvue, autocorrect changed but purview is acceptable...thx
    In that case, I have already answered that question, and I did not say what you think I said, just as Carney did not say what you think he said
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In that case, I have already answered that question, and I did not say what you think I said, just as Carney did not say what you think he said
    At this point I will refrain from furthering your application of 'Durch sinnlosen Wortschwall verdutzen'. Carry on...
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    At this point I will refrain from furthering your application of 'Durch sinnlosen Wortschwall verdutzen'. Carry on...
    then it appears sangha won yet another one
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then it appears sangha won yet another one
    Now you engage in 'Trotz Niederlage den Sieg verkünden'...predictable...being consistent with the progressive/liberal meme...

    win indeed...
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Now you engage in 'Trotz Niederlage den Sieg verkünden'...predictable...being consistent with the progressive/liberal meme...

    win indeed...
    only posted the obvious

    a sangha win by default
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    only posted the obvious

    a sangha win by default
    obvious indeed...
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    I am sorry you suffer from such paranoia, but perhaps you should take a look at the IRS role in the enforcement of Obama (hint: its all about numbers... they don't see your medical records -- see HIPAA laws)

    When It Comes to Health-Care Reform, the IRS Rules

    BTW... that is a helluva nice picture of you. Did you use the self timer or did you mom take the shot? ...and yes, since you were wondering (and I am honest), that angle does make your butt look big.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    then it appears sangha won yet another one
    What did he win? Hope it was a really cool prize not some lame ass one.
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