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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And yet the IRS targeting preceded the upsurge in Tea Party applications.
    Unless you are suggesting this a Bush Administration problem, that is not true. The tea party groups began forming in the summer of 2009....

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Please point out where I claimed 'that Obama and his administration are liars'...I'll wait...
    After you point out where I claimed you said they were liars. I'll wait....:
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Unless you are suggesting this a Bush Administration problem, that is not true. The tea party groups began forming in the summer of 2009....
    The upsurge in applications came later. Targeting preceded the upsurge.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    After you point out where I claimed you said they were liars. I'll wait....:
    Sure, you posted:
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    So now the people who claim that Obama and his administration are liars suddenly take what they say as the Gospel!
    In response to my post...are you now inferring that I am not included in 'the people'. If not why did you direct said response to my post?
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Sure, you posted:


    In response to my post...are you now inferring that I am not included in 'the people'. If not why did you direct said response to my post?
    I don't see anything in that quote that specifies you

    I'm still waiting....:
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't see anything in that quote that specifies you

    I'm still waiting....:
    Given this response I presume your answer to the previous question to be in the negative which leaves the balance, "why did you direct said response to my post?"

    Care to give it another shot?...:
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Given this response I presume your answer to the previous question to be in the negative which leaves the balance, "why did you direct said response to my post?"

    Care to give it another shot?...:
    To point out how your point is politically meaingless
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    To point out how your point is politically meaingless
    AH, so the opinions of 'EVERYONE from the President, press secretary, Treasury secretary, EVERY congress person in hearing both last and this week and the VARIOUS other government officials' are politically meaningless? Really?
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups [W:484

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    AH, so the opinions of 'EVERYONE from the President, press secretary, Treasury secretary, EVERY congress person in hearing both last and this week and the VARIOUS other government officials' are politically meaningless? Really?
    WRT whether this indicates any wrongdoing on the part of the admin, yes it's politically meaningless
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Ok, just for my (and apparently all the rest of us DP posters) edification, what is the 'issue'?
    I think the body of my original statement had most of it... but let's further elaborate:

    The IRS was using intelligent discriminators to identify potential political groups applying for tax-exempt status under a category reserved for groups that were only secondarily political.

    IRS targeted groups that criticized the government, IG report says

    Yes, the IRS did get overly zealous in its scrutiny. However, unlike the suggestion of parts of the media that would have you believe that people were targeted, harassed, audited or otherwise denied their rights. None of this happened. In fact, no taxpayers were harmed in the making of this "scandal" No one was denied the tax exempt status sought.

    The default position of a 501(c)(4) application is that you get the tax exempt status, you get to simply declare yourself a 501(c)(4) and act accordingly. You do not have to apply for the status. However, entities that exist on the bubble between those that educate about social welfare and those with a political agenda (like Tea Party entities) are advised to obtain the blessing of the IRS, lest they later be declared not a 501(c)(4). The IRS CAN take away the status, but it does not grant the status. Curiously, however, this entire controversy was born and lived during the tenure of Douglas Shulman, a Bush appointee (who served until November 2012). He doesn't seem to be a likely guy to have a political agenda AGAINST conservative groups.

    The reason there was no foul, is that no one lost their status as a result of this. They "crime" was they were asked a lot of questions. The link below is the actual "declaration" form.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/501c4-vs-501c3-vs-527/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c%29

    Yes, the IRS used discriminators that singled out Tea Party groups, but they were the most prevalent and the most controversial (in terms of qualifying as a 501(c)(4) group) of the time. This is blown way out of proportion.

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