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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    opinion noted not shared.

    your problem-feeling a need to pretend that the far left is always right
    You really need to admit it when you haven't bothered to think through a policy. It's remarkably easy to cheat on sales taxes. Just take cash and run a false cashregister report. Restaurants do it all the time.

    Both the customer and the owner benefit because it's tax free -- cheaper for the customer, unreported income from the owners.

    Doesn't work that way with income tax, does it? The employer wants the deduction -- he has no incentive to cheat for the benefit of the employee. If it's a buyer, the buyer wants the fulll basis, not a lower one. It's this contending interests that make it hard to cheat at income taxes, easy to cheat at sales taxes. So ironically a national sales tax would require a bigger IRS.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You really need to admit it when you haven't bothered to think through a policy. It's remarkably easy to cheat on sales taxes. Just take cash and run a false cashregister report. Restaurants do it all the time.

    Both the customer and the owner benefit because it's tax free -- cheaper for the customer, unreported income from the owners.

    Doesn't work that way with income tax, does it? The employer wants the deduction -- he has no incentive to cheat for the benefit of the employee. If it's a buyer, the buyer wants the fulll basis, not a lower one. It's this contending interests that make it hard to cheat at income taxes, easy to cheat at sales taxes. So ironically a national sales tax would require a bigger IRS.
    you of all people should not be telling others about not bothering to think through a policy.

    You fail to understand that the income tax system is used as a major source of extra congressional power by a government that has proven untrustworthy and you ignore the obvious-income tax does not capture the billions of illegal income derived from narcotics trafficking while state sales tax does

    and you are lying about a bigger IRS. The current income tax scheme costs americans BILLIONS in compliance costs. Making retail organizations-that already have state sales tax measures in place-would impose far less time costs on the Citizens

    so again I suggest you ought to spend more time thinking things through



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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Making sure they fall within the law is nothing that would require an apology, or cause a scandal. The problem is that they appeared to single out Conservative groups for more scrutiny.
    And "pro-Israel groups" and Billy Graham's organization. So I don't want an apology; I want an investigation, firings and demotions, and jail time if warranted.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you of all people should not be telling others about not bothering to think through a policy.

    You fail to understand that the income tax system is used as a major source of extra congressional power by a government that has proven untrustworthy and you ignore the obvious-income tax does not capture the billions of illegal income derived from narcotics trafficking while state sales tax does

    and you are lying about a bigger IRS. The current income tax scheme costs americans BILLIONS in compliance costs. Making retail organizations-that already have state sales tax measures in place-would impose far less time costs on the Citizens

    so again I suggest you ought to spend more time thinking things through
    Not a word of factual rebuttal is this sad post. This is what happens when you get your tax policy from Glenn Beck or Breitbart.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Not a word of factual rebuttal is this sad post. This is what happens when you get your tax policy from Glenn Beck or Breitbart.
    more idiotic blathering. why is it that the people most likely to reference two entertainers tend to be the far wrong not conservatives or libertarians?

    Your fixation on Beck is noted. I don't listen to him so your psychobabble is just silly



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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'd definitely like to see a more thorough explanation of this from the IRS. i'd also like to know why these groups are tax exempt.
    For one thing, those organizations make diddly squat. Even if they didn't apply for that status, it's hard to imagine they would owe anything.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    In a nation where we have free speech this should never happen. One of the biggest fears with bloated bureaucracy is that they will use their position to squash or hinder political groups or people they don't like.

    My concern is I wonder how high up this goes.
    Corporations/hedge funds/oil cos. who like taxpayers to foot their bills/liabilities -> lobbyists -> Congressional pols -> House Ways and Means Committee -> Tax Laws -> IRS .

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The complexity of the tax code is the problem.
    There is no question about that.

    People don't even have a clue as to what their total tax bill is per year.
    What makes you say that? You see how much you get withheld on your paychecks. You know how much you have to write if you do estimates. You know how much you either owe or get back. Your total tax bill is actually easy to calculate. In fact, estimating it is super easy. Take your rate, your prior year's AGI and multiply.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Is anyone else thinking that they're (possibly) being targeted because they've badmouthed the Obama administration or the government in general? I mean, not that us private citizens would know in most circumstances since all the F.B.I. has to do is issue a National Security Letter to our cell phone or Internet providers (or like to Google, if that's the search engine you use), which they'll oblige, and which they cannot tell us about that they're handing over information about us to the government. I find it, somewhat, humorous, that the Associated Press is so demoralized and angry over this entire issue. I guess they should feel welcomed to the 21st Century in America, where privacy, freedom and rights are not guaranteed by anything or any piece of paper with writing on it. Like Detective McClane said, "Welcome to the party, pal!"

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    For one thing, those organizations make diddly squat. Even if they didn't apply for that status, it's hard to imagine they would owe anything.
    It has more to do with keeping the names of their donors secret, if I understand the issue correctly.

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