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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    it also cuts down massively on the power of congress though
    Not really. There's nothing in a sale tax that prevents Congress from writing in special rates for special industries.

    and raising the sales tax will piss every voter off
    Like that stops them now. Point still remains that giving Congress a national sales tax gives them a very easy way to raise taxes without anyone realizing it until it's too late.

    Furthermore, National Sales Tax results in a bigger government purely from a logistical application stance.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

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    Romney claimed that "corporations are people too"... HA!
    If you really want to pursue this line of hair splitting; The exercise of infidelity to Allah is an idea as is the exercise of a government of, by and for the people. The people calling for an end to the US government by starving it of revenue should be investigated for possible activity of tax evasion. The radical Islamist should be investigated for a possible plot to deploy a bomb. I drew the simile to illustrate the gravity of calling for the overthrow of the government by not paying taxes is every bit as high as calling for the end to America by throwing a bomb. Either activity should be investigated by the appropriate federal agency.
    I'm not going to argue that the simile is exactly linear but I believe I made my point that they are at least ...similar.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's not the issue

    The IRS gives the government way too much power that it was never intended to have
    You've missed the point . If there were a national sales tax, you'd need the IRS to enforce it. It's remarkably easy to cheat on paying sales taxes since both parties, buyer and seller benefit from not reporting. Not so with income taxes, since the employer/contractor has an incentive to report the payment.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    You've missed the point . If there were a national sales tax, you'd need the IRS to enforce it. It's remarkably easy to cheat on paying sales taxes since both parties, buyer and seller benefit from not reporting. Not so with income taxes, since the employer/contractor has an incentive to report the payment.

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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its a good argument to get rid of the income tax system and replace it with a sales tax
    There is already a federal sales tax of sorts. Business taxes are nothing more than a sales tax. It's just easier to disguise it from consumers than a flat out sales tax at the register.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not really. There's nothing in a sale tax that prevents Congress from writing in special rates for special industries.



    Like that stops them now. Point still remains that giving Congress a national sales tax gives them a very easy way to raise taxes without anyone realizing it until it's too late.

    Furthermore, National Sales Tax results in a bigger government purely from a logistical application stance.
    I deny that, there is no way congress could raise a sales tax rate without most people knowing about it



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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    There is already a federal sales tax of sorts. Business taxes are nothing more than a sales tax. It's just easier to disguise it from consumers than a flat out sales tax.
    we need to get rid of the IRS and the income tax. we need to massively castrate congressional power



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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I deny that, there is no way congress could raise a sales tax rate without most people knowing about it
    Why? Congress made it illegal to resell a used computer with a MS license on it (despite the glaring problems of legal right of use). How did they do it? They put the law into an unrelated bill and passed it at late night vote.

    There's nothing stopping Congress from slipping in a sale taxes increase to an unrelated bill and passing it. Since most Congress Members don't even read the bills, there's a SUPER HIGH CHANCE that they could do this. A complex tax code has all kinds of interactions that alert interested parties in potential changes. The IRS has to go through various drafts as to what gets changed and how it affects other things and they reach out to the tax industry for assistance. That's how a lot of the changes now get made publicly. With a simple rate change to sale tax, that goes away.
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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong , but isn't this IRS thing about ascertaining eligibility for tax exempt status ?..............
    Making sure they fall within the law is nothing that would require an apology, or cause a scandal. The problem is that they appeared to single out Conservative groups for more scrutiny.


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    Re: IRS apologizes for inappropriately targeting conservative political groups in 201

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Why? Congress made it illegal to resell a used computer with a MS license on it (despite the glaring problems of legal right of use). How did they do it? They put the law into an unrelated bill and passed it at late night vote.

    There's nothing stopping Congress from slipping in a sale taxes increase to an unrelated bill and passing it. Since most Congress Members don't even read the bills, there's a SUPER HIGH CHANCE that they could do this. A complex tax code has all kinds of interactions that alert interested parties in potential changes. The IRS has to go through various drafts as to what gets changed and how it affects other things and they reach out to the tax industry for assistance. That's how a lot of the changes now get made publicly. With a simple rate change to sale tax, that goes away.

    The complexity of the tax code is the problem....People don't even have a clue as to what their total tax bill is per year....If they did, things would change in a hurry. Plus, the more complex the code, the more open the system is to corruption. The "KISS" law to life is always the best path in all areas.
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