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    Good, another one down. How long until this idiocy is done and it's legal everywhere?
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    Good news.
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    Re: Minn. House Approves Gay Marriage, 75-59

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    When will I be able to marry my first cousin, she's hot, and when will I be able to marry more the one woman?
    In all likelihood that will be the next fight we see in marriage. That is one the few other marriage restrictions left that is very shaky on whether it is really furthering a state interest, particularly since it is legal in pretty much half the states (excluding same sex marriage restrictions of course).

    I personally support making first cousin marriages legal. I would support your fight for it just as I do same sex couples.

    Now, I will say that at least there is a small state interest in possibly keeping first cousins from marrying, in the genetic issues, but it is such a small increase, that I don't agree with it really being large enough to be a real state interest to restrict it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Good, another one down. How long until this idiocy is done and it's legal everywhere?
    You have a ways to go yet if the process continues to be on a state-by-state basis without a national push, and an even worse situation if you have the public vote on it state by state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You have a ways to go yet if the process continues to be on a state-by-state basis without a national push, and an even worse situation if you have the public vote on it state by state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    All worthwhile things take time.
    Yep. Which is why I think if it takes another decade or more, sometime just before half way mark we need a national push.
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    Re: Minn. House Approves Gay Marriage, 75-59

    It would seem more than anything else, this will be "Obama's Legacy". Long time passing - I remember when it was illegal to be a homosexual. I wish every state would do this instead of proving that the Feds must run everything in America to insure fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    When will I be able to marry my first cousin, she's hot, and when will I be able to marry more the one woman?
    You already can in more states than allow SSM. Your cousin at least. No one can marry more than one person. Maybe you should start a movement.
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    Re: Minn. House Approves Gay Marriage, 75-59

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    When will I be able to marry my first cousin, she's hot, and when will I be able to marry more the one woman?
    Go for it, AlabamaPaul. Your state is way ahead of you. Polygamy may happen. It's not easy to draw an important state interest in banning polygamy. However, I suspect the process would take some time, there are quite a few legal kinks (teehee) to work out regarding inheritance, child custody, divorce, etc. New laws would have to be written to handle those scenarios.

    I personally think polygamy is... weird and a little unsettling. But I also recognize that this isn't grounds to ban the practice. Because I also think peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are weird (and gross). PBJ fans would say "Who the hell asked you?"

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In all likelihood that will be the next fight we see in marriage. That is one the few other marriage restrictions left that is very shaky on whether it is really furthering a state interest, particularly since it is legal in pretty much half the states (excluding same sex marriage restrictions of course).

    I personally support making first cousin marriages legal. I would support your fight for it just as I do same sex couples.

    Now, I will say that at least there is a small state interest in possibly keeping first cousins from marrying, in the genetic issues, but it is such a small increase, that I don't agree with it really being large enough to be a real state interest to restrict it.
    First cousin marriage is already legal in quite a few states. Including Alabama, which surprises nobody.

    However, I've yet to see any call for expanding such a thing. I don't think it's comparable and I really don't see it happening.

    From what I understand, though, you're right about the genetic issues between first cousins being minimal. The problems only really occur in sibling or child/parent couplings, and even then I think it's only really problematic when done over several generations. (which those..types.. seem to be prone to) But hey, that's for them sciencey types to figure out.
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    Re: Minn. House Approves Gay Marriage, 75-59

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I was pleased it wasn't something up for public vote.
    You don't think the same voters who turned down the ban would go for this? Not that i care what the public thinks, except i think there is no chance the legislator passes this if not for the 2012 result.

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