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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Lots of 20/20 hindsight to all your post. Many times groups take credit for things that the facts DON'T support and during the confused period, the so-called fog time the 'facts' come in contradicting each other. Was there an attack on Tripoli for instance? THAT makes it sound like the terrorists didn't actually do the attacks but want others to carry them out.

    We didn't 'know' anything but there were reports, huge difference.

    For instance, BushII 'knew' the al-queeras and Saddam's security folks met in Prague. That yellow cake was bought in Africa, that 122 rocket tubes were infact rods for refining uranium...

    It is easy after the fact to go through a deluge of reports and pick the correct ones... the trick has and will remain being able to do so as the event unfolds.

    As far as sending more people into the cluster foxtrot, even a teary and emotional Mr. Hicks admits he wasn't easily available when the attack started in Benghazi, and when he learned where Ambassador Stevens was, the hospital, he balked at sending anyone fearing it was a trap.
    Well, considering Fact Check updated the Time line in Nov. and well after all the facts that had come out by then. It would be obvious how they got it down in chronological order. Which is why we did know for those that were up on it.

    As for the Rest.....it just confirms more of what we already knew.

    (3) Secretaries Clinton and Rice (the president's hand-selected messenger on Benghazi to the American people) repeatedly stated that the attack arose from "spontaneous protests" over an obscure YouTube video. This was never true. Hicks called the YouTube a "non-event" in Libya. He and others on the ground -- including Amb. Stevens -- recognized the raid as a coordinated terrorist attack from the very beginning. Hicks testified that he personally told Sec. Clinton as much at 2 am on the night of the attack, along with her senior staff. [UPDATE - Rep. Trey Gowdy also revealed an email sent on 9/12 in which Assistant Sec. Jones confirmed to a Libyan official that the attack had been carried out by terrorist organization Ansar al-Sharia]. Days later, Rice recited bogus talking points on five American television networks, and Clinton denounced the video while standing next to the flag-draped coffins of the fallen. Hicks said there he never mentioned any "spontaneous demonstrations" related to a video in his phone call with Clinton:

    Questions: How, why, and by whom did the administration's talking points get scrubbed and re-written? Why did the president refuse to identify the attack as terrorism in an interview with CBS News on September 12, and why did he allow Sec. Rice to disseminate patently false information on his behalf?.....snip~

    The Damning Dozen: Twelve Revelations from the Benghazi Hearings - Guy Benson

    Which, is why it led to those questions.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, considering Fact Check updated the Time line in Nov. and well after all the facts that had come out by then. It would be obvious how they got it down in chronological order. Which is why we did know for those that were up on it.

    As for the Rest.....it just confirms more of what we already knew.

    (3) Secretaries Clinton and Rice (the president's hand-selected messenger on Benghazi to the American people) repeatedly stated that the attack arose from "spontaneous protests" over an obscure YouTube video. This was never true. Hicks called the YouTube a "non-event" in Libya. He and others on the ground -- including Amb. Stevens -- recognized the raid as a coordinated terrorist attack from the very beginning. Hicks testified that he personally told Sec. Clinton as much at 2 am on the night of the attack, along with her senior staff. [UPDATE - Rep. Trey Gowdy also revealed an email sent on 9/12 in which Assistant Sec. Jones confirmed to a Libyan official that the attack had been carried out by terrorist organization Ansar al-Sharia]. Days later, Rice recited bogus talking points on five American television networks, and Clinton denounced the video while standing next to the flag-draped coffins of the fallen. Hicks said there he never mentioned any "spontaneous demonstrations" related to a video in his phone call with Clinton:

    Questions: How, why, and by whom did the administration's talking points get scrubbed and re-written? Why did the president refuse to identify the attack as terrorism in an interview with CBS News on September 12, and why did he allow Sec. Rice to disseminate patently false information on his behalf?.....snip~

    The Damning Dozen: Twelve Revelations from the Benghazi Hearings - Guy Benson

    Which, is why it led to those questions.
    Again you use monday morning quarterbacking to 'prove' something that was not clear at the time. You use the very biased sources that don't give such informantion like what all was in the informantion stream at that time and how did that match up with other reports. Sure now the Congressman can say 'oh look' like at a trial but at the time did the cops know this one tip was THE tip in a steady stream of them that needed checking.

    It is like a hot line for an abducted child, thousands come in and have to be checked, quite often the first police line of investigation proves untrue...

    But I keep referring you to past massive events and the failed 'knowledge' that lead to the deaths of thousands of our citizens. You seem quite intent on pretending that 'what we know now is not what we knew then and we didn't know what we knew was true or not til now' (Rumspeak you remember that?) has a long history of not being the final answer.

    This will make fine theater for the rabid right, but in the end will not hurt Hillary or Obama. Those who believe have already decided who they will vote for in 2016.

    But enjoy the show....

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    And yet other right wing folks are claiming the Obama Administration pointed to the video before they knew what exactly had happened, too bad you ignore the timeline and put far more weight on the Republican politicians opinions than anything else.

    But you are correct, integrity is rare, even among the Right wing partisans
    Looks like even ABC, of all media, is calling Obama a liar.

    Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

    When it became clear last fall that the CIA’s now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, the White House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story.
    ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice before she appeared on five talk shows the Sunday after that attack.
    There's some integrity for you.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Again you use monday morning quarterbacking to 'prove' something that was not clear at the time. You use the very biased sources that don't give such informantion like what all was in the informantion stream at that time and how did that match up with other reports. Sure now the Congressman can say 'oh look' like at a trial but at the time did the cops know this one tip was THE tip in a steady stream of them that needed checking.

    It is like a hot line for an abducted child, thousands come in and have to be checked, quite often the first police line of investigation proves untrue...

    But I keep referring you to past massive events and the failed 'knowledge' that lead to the deaths of thousands of our citizens. You seem quite intent on pretending that 'what we know now is not what we knew then and we didn't know what we knew was true or not til now' (Rumspeak you remember that?) has a long history of not being the final answer.

    This will make fine theater for the rabid right, but in the end will not hurt Hillary or Obama. Those who believe have already decided who they will vote for in 2016.

    But enjoy the show....

    Yeah, but as usual I noticed you didn't put that part with the same time as the Timeline. Which is exactly what the FactCheckers do. Get all the Facts and then put them in order and reference all sources to do so. Which since here you were trying to explain about a Timeline. I only put up that link to show you what you were saying. or attempting to deny. Was already Validated.

    Your past massive events and trying to explain mistakes from another time. Has no justification for this argument here. As clearly the idea is not to keep doing the wrong thing.

    Funny how those Democrats that are writing thinking and worrying that something will Hurt Hillary. Might have more insight than you. Look Up Lanny Davis. I doubt you can call him a Conservative.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why, the nyt reported breaking news in the op (how can you miss the very op you're discussing?)---hicks was demoted for testifying.
    That is an unsubstantiated allegation. Hicks practically admitted his negligence in his testimony. He was too busy watching television to answer the Ambassador's phone calls and that is a pretty good reason for demotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Sept.12: Obama Labels Attack ‘Act of Terror,’ Not ‘Terrorism’
    Bahaha. Thats some serious hair-splitting.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    That is an unsubstantiated allegation. Hicks practically admitted his negligence in his testimony. He was too busy watching television to answer the Ambassador's phone calls and that is a pretty good reason for demotion.



    Bahaha. Thats some serious hair-splitting.
    Yeah I know.....Doesn't get any better than that. Does it? Which is why Fact Check.org, Politi-Fact, and the UK Daily mail all have that's listed down the same way as part of their summary/findings and all the rhetoric with the Dates to go with it as to what was said and by whom. So they validated as so. I think it is great. No advantage to either side.....huh?

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    that is a pretty good reason for demotion
    sure, that's why both hillary and barack hussein called mr hicks the day after the attack to praise him for his heroism thru the crisis

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/us...ack.html?_r=1&

    At Benghazi hearing, State Dept. officials challenge administration review of attacks - The Washington Post

    in other words, shut up and read

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    sure, that's why both hillary and barack hussein called mr hicks the day after the attack to praise him for his heroism thru the crisis
    Right, before it was made known that he was too busy watching television to answer the Ambassador's phone calls.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    why won't anyone in cummings' caucus say a word critical of the disgruntled, demoted employees who offered such damaging testimony under oath?

    Cummings said, “I respect the witnesses that are here today to offer their testimony. … Today’s hearing is not the full story; I hope we will eventually hear our military, our intelligence and our officials.”
    Benghazi hearing: State officials get emotional - POLITICO.com

    when will the ranking member of house oversight produce the authors of arb---under oath?

    before or after they're subpoenaed?

    questions, questions, so many questions

    exactly WHO ordered the stand down?

    exactly WHO ignored so many requests for security in the weeks and months preceding, when the streets were echoing to the vibrations of at least 5 major attacks like the assassination attempt vs the brit---and WHY?

    exactly WHY was security in benghazi reduced from 16 to 4 after a carjacking mere weeks before the TERRORIST attack?

    why can't obama pronounce TERRORIST?

    why can't he call out specifically by name muslim or islamic extremism?

    how can we move forward with a cic so dumb (as in speechless)?

    why did the white house lie about a video when it full well knew better?

    why are eyewitnesses threatened, intimidated, demoted, why are they told not to talk to members of the opposition party, why must a state dept lawyer be present?

    why so much hiding, why so much covering up?

    where are the survivors, who are the survivors, what did they see, how many are injured and how bad, how many spoke with arb and how many didn't?

    just who all did talk to arb, who didn't?

    why didn't hrc?

    why did pickering and mullen refuse to testify yesterday?

    why so much hiding, why so much coverup?

    where was hillary clinton all day and and all nite, 9-11-12, and exactly what was she doing?

    why did the president go to bed, how could the president go to bed?

    why did he go to vegas the next morning for a fundraiser?

    and so much more

    stay tuned, you will learn a lot of answers

    learning is fun

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    why won't anyone in cummings' caucus say a word critical of the disgruntled, demoted employees who offered such damaging testimony under oath?



    Benghazi hearing: State officials get emotional - POLITICO.com

    when will the ranking member of house oversight produce the authors of arb---under oath?

    before or after they're subpoenaed?

    questions, questions, so many questions

    exactly WHO ordered the stand down?

    exactly WHO ignored so many requests for security in the weeks and months preceding, when the streets were echoing to the vibrations of at least 5 major attacks like the assassination attempt vs the brit---and WHY?

    exactly WHY was security in benghazi reduced from 16 to 4 after a carjacking mere weeks before the TERRORIST attack?

    why can't obama pronounce TERRORIST?

    why can't he call out specifically by name muslim or islamic extremism?

    how can we move forward with a cic so dumb (as in speechless)?

    why did the white house lie about a video when it full well knew better?

    why are eyewitnesses threatened, intimidated, demoted, why are they told not to talk to members of the opposition party, why must a state dept lawyer be present?

    why so much hiding, why so much covering up?

    where are the survivors, who are the survivors, what did they see, how many are injured and how bad, how many spoke with arb and how many didn't?

    just who all did talk to arb, who didn't?

    why didn't hrc?

    why did pickering and mullen refuse to testify yesterday?

    why so much hiding, why so much coverup?

    where was hillary clinton all day and and all nite, 9-11-12, and exactly what was she doing?

    why did the president go to bed, how could the president go to bed?

    why did he go to vegas the next morning for a fundraiser?

    and so much more

    stay tuned, you will learn a lot of answers

    learning is fun


    I'm more interested in finding out what television show airing in Libya could possibly be so interesting that phone calls from the Ambassador had to be ignored.

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