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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    By his own admission he failed to respond when tipsters phoned in on where the Ambassador was. He rightfully worried it was a trap to lure more Americans into an ambush, so it is a bit puzzling he felt others should have made the decision to throw more Americans into a night time melee that NO ONE knew what were the true facts in Benghazi.
    We have people that specialize in that sort of thing… we call it a "military."


    It’s a bit puzzling that others are puzzled by the idea that trained combat soldiers can perform in situations other than "it's daytime and all the facts are known."

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The only thing tangible that has come out of this is that it should now be obvious to even the staunchest supporters of this administration that they lied about who was responsible. This in itself isn't going to bring down the regime
    I’d have to agree – lying to cover up your incompetence is unethical, but not impeachable.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    it appears to me someone wants to blame the administration for his crappy work which got him demoted. Seriously, do you actually believe every demoted person is the victim of some horrible conspiracy and that they were really good workers who are just victims? If you do believe that i have a great way for you to lose weight while making millions of dollars.
    Suddenly libs hate whistle blowers. If someone at Walmart got demoted for saying negative things about them you would call them a hero.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

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    We have people that specialize in that sort of thing… we call it a "military." It’s a bit puzzling that others are puzzled by the idea that trained combat soldiers can perform in situations other than "it's daytime and all the facts are known."
    As a former trained combat soldier with the scars to prove it I'll pass on any lecture on what the 'military' can do. First there was no 101 waiting just one lift away. Far from not knowing all the facts NO facts were known other than contact was lost with Ambassador Stevens and there was a very confused mix of armed, and unarmed 'native' guards along with Libyan security forces in the area. The react force was very limited and not mortar proof, any air strikes had as good a chance of hitting civilians who have nothing to do with the attacks as any terrorist.

    Mr.Hicks faults others who are not trained combat soldiers for not committing more forces into the melee, but hours later when informed of where Ambassador Stevens is HE refuses his Horatio moment. while the number of men available and how far each group was from Benghazi varies with each telling, NO force could have gotten there before Ambassador Stevens went down. what the React Force could do is add the the KIA we suffered and cause a great deal more uproar.

    To put it in simple terms how many men would have had to ride to Custer's aide in order to save his command and how long did they have to do so before all the men had died?

    Now the question I'd like an answer for is why on the eve of another 9-11 anniversary did the Ambassador leave the relatively secure Embassy for the well documented far more vulnerable Consulate? To meet a Turkish official? You mean they couldn't do that in Tripoli? Ambassador Stevens was a well known risk taker compared to men like Hicks. It is what it is. Taking risks is not without risk.

    I can find no fault with Hicks or Stevens as humans don't always make the best decisions in hindsight, but this witch hunt is highly political and nothing of it's like was launched by the 'conservatives' who are so shocked by a consulate being attacked yet were not so shocked and demanding answers when a baker dozen was hit during the BushII years NOR felt the 'dead-enders' and 'die hards' was used to describe the start of al-Queera in Iraq's reign of terror was deliberate lying to them and the American people. (nor overly outraged by the BushII administration foot dragging and refusal to allow any cabinet members to give complete answers to Congress over the run-up or troop requirements AFTER the fall of Saddam.)

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Mr.Hicks faults others who are not trained combat soldiers for not committing more forces into the melee,
    Irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    but hours later when informed of where Ambassador Stevens is HE refuses his Horatio moment,
    Huh? What are you talking about? Are you somehow trying to fault a 60-year old diplomat for not putting on combat gear and flying 400 miles to Benghazi?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    while the number of men available and how far each group was from Benghazi varies with each telling, NO force could have gotten there before Ambassador Stevens went down.
    Good thing the Obama administration was told beforehand when Ambassador Stevens was going to be killed so that they could plan things ahead of time.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Suddenly libs hate whistle blowers. If someone at Walmart got demoted for saying negative things about them you would call them a hero.
    How does someone get demoted at Wal-Mart?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Poor work? he is a whiner? he doesn't play well with others? For the same reasons every other person gets demoted and wants to blame some huge conspiracy for their own failures.

    I would figure the party of self responsibility would recognize how much easier it is to blame others for your failure than to take a look at how you screwed up. But then again see my sig.
    He didn't go along with this concocted BS about a video that Clinton and Obama made up. That is what got him demoted.

    Geez, you libs look absolutely ridiculous right now. This is a blatant cover-up, and it's staring you right between your eyes.

    Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    As a former trained combat soldier with the scars to prove it I'll pass on any lecture on what the 'military' can do. First there was no 101 waiting just one lift away. Far from not knowing all the facts NO facts were known other than contact was lost with Ambassador Stevens and there was a very confused mix of armed, and unarmed 'native' guards along with Libyan security forces in the area. The react force was very limited and not mortar proof, any air strikes had as good a chance of hitting civilians who have nothing to do with the attacks as any terrorist.

    Mr.Hicks faults others who are not trained combat soldiers for not committing more forces into the melee, but hours later when informed of where Ambassador Stevens is HE refuses his Horatio moment. while the number of men available and how far each group was from Benghazi varies with each telling, NO force could have gotten there before Ambassador Stevens went down. what the React Force could do is add the the KIA we suffered and cause a great deal more uproar.

    To put it in simple terms how many men would have had to ride to Custer's aide in order to save his command and how long did they have to do so before all the men had died?

    Now the question I'd like an answer for is why on the eve of another 9-11 anniversary did the Ambassador leave the relatively secure Embassy for the well documented far more vulnerable Consulate? To meet a Turkish official? You mean they couldn't do that in Tripoli? Ambassador Stevens was a well known risk taker compared to men like Hicks. It is what it is. Taking risks is not without risk.

    I can find no fault with Hicks or Stevens as humans don't always make the best decisions in hindsight, but this witch hunt is highly political and nothing of it's like was launched by the 'conservatives' who are so shocked by a consulate being attacked yet were not so shocked and demanding answers when a baker dozen was hit during the BushII years NOR felt the 'dead-enders' and 'die hards' was used to describe the start of al-Queera in Iraq's reign of terror was deliberate lying to them and the American people. (nor overly outraged by the BushII administration foot dragging and refusal to allow any cabinet members to give complete answers to Congress over the run-up or troop requirements AFTER the fall of Saddam.)
    So why the instant blame on a video that nobody had ever heard of?

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    WTF is that? Did i get run over by the turnip
    truck or something that would have me believe that is something official? You may be that gullible, i am not. before you go hunting for a credible source, those are not the results of an investigation and are the guesses made by people who admittedly made a mistake in their first theories which were corrected when they investigated. Like I told other republican guys, unless you can prove Ovbama is Omniscient, or at least had some way of magically knowing everything that happened in benghazi without an actual investigation, you are wrong. Your claim obama knowingly lied relies on him actually knowing what happened which none of this proves at all.
    LOL !! Exactly ....." what is that " as you purposely chose to remain ignorant because it suites your Narrative.

    THAT is as official as it can be.

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    Re: Diplomat Says Questions Over Benghazi Led to Demotion

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Irrelevant.


    Huh? What are you talking about? Are you somehow trying to fault a 60-year old diplomat for not putting on combat gear and flying 400 miles to Benghazi?


    Good thing the Obama administration was told beforehand when Ambassador Stevens was going to be killed so that they could plan things ahead of time.
    The terrorist blew a 12 foot hole in the Benghazzi Compound Wall ........on JUNE 6th.

    There were repeated request for more security....that were ignored.

    Yes SOMEONE should have known an attack was imminent.

    Its fun wayching the Libs grasp desperately at irrelevent data when its clear Obama and Hillary Lied.

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