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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    there's more

    Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour's flight from Libya.

    "I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them," Hicks testified. Two Americans died in the morning mortar attack.

    "The Libyans that I talked to and the Libyans and other Americans who were involved in the war have told me also that Libyan revolutionaries were very cognizant of the impact that American and NATO airpower had with respect to their victory. They are under no illusions that American and NATO airpower won that war for them. And so, in my personal opinion, a fast-mover flying over Benghazi at some point, you know, as soon as possible might very well have prevented some of the bad things that happened that night."

    Obama administration officials have insisted that no military resources could have made it in time. A White House official told CBS News that, at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies."
    cbs link above

    panetta---"well ahead of timelines"

    good enough for arb

    wapo confirms hicks' claim that he practically begged for a "fast mover" to buzz benghazi only to be repeatedly denied

    As the weakly protected U.S. diplomatic compound in eastern Libya came under attack the night of Sept. 11, 2012, the deputy head of the embassy in Tripoli 600 miles away sought in vain to get the Pentagon to scramble fighter jets over Benghazi in a show of force that he said might have averted a second attack on a nearby CIA complex.
    Special ops halted from responding to Benghazi attacks, U.S. diplomat says - The Washington Post

    as of 3:00 that morning, gregory hicks was ACTIVE MISSION CHIEF in benghazi, assuming the position on the death of his boss, the ambassador

    hicks was never interviewed by arb despite his eagerness to tell his story

    wapo:

    The new details are certain to reignite a debate over whether the Obama administration has been sufficiently forthcoming in its public accounting of the events and missteps that resulted in the first death of a U.S. ambassador in the line of duty in a generation.
    hicks concludes:

    After the attacks ended without planes being scrambled or special forces dispatched, the lieutenant colonel in Tripoli who commanded the Special Operations team told Hicks he was sorry his men had been held back.

    “I’ve never been so embarrassed in my life that a State Department officer has bigger balls than someone in the military,” the officer told Hicks, according to the diplomat’s account. Hicks called that “a nice compliment.”
    wapo winds up:

    The administration has said the independent review of the Benghazi attack was exhaustive, and State Department officials have vowed to implement reforms to make U.S. missions abroad safer. Republicans, however, say Hicks’s account suggests the administration has not been entirely truthful.
    what is the white house hiding, what are its supporters so scared of?

    stay tuned

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good golly, well that just proves

    everything!

    The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

    What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.

    No, what you see in THIS thread are people who ARE NOT sycophantic supporters of a corrupt Administration and it's ideology.

    The people here ( the ones who want answers for Benghazi of course ) realize that Obama and Hillary and essentially every Democrat in office now are so lacking in character and integrity, so lacking in humanity that they would LIE to cover up the real reasons 4 Americans died including our Ambasador, just because it was politically expediant.

    They were such SCUM, they would lie to the FAMILIES of those killed in Benghazzi. Hillary lied to the face of the dead Seals father telling him " they were going to get the guy responsible for making that you tube video ".

    I realize people like you are irritated those people had to die that close to the election, and your going to do whatever you can to mitigate Obama's and Hillary's obvious dishonesty by bringing up irrelevent nonsense. ( I showed you just 3 of the 20 or so quotes showing Democrats KNEW he had WMDs prior to Bush's first term, you know, to crush the stupid " Bush lied people died " narrative you people push )

    Just because you don't mind being lied to doesn't mean I like being lied to and you should start your own thread about " Bush's false pretenses " and quit trying to apologize for Obama's dishonesty.
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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Read down further where all those quotes are put into their proper context.
    I did. To say that Bush (or Republicans) were the only ones who believed Sadam had WMDs is a lie -- no matter how you slice the pie.
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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good golly, well that just proves everything!

    The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

    What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.
    Please stop derailing the thread. Your hypocracy (sic) is ironic.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Clinton sought end-run around counterterrorism bureau on night of Benghazi attack, witness will say | Fox News

    On the night of Sept. 11, as the Obama administration scrambled to respond to the Benghazi terror attacks, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and a key aide effectively tried to cut the department's own counterterrorism bureau out of the chain of reporting and decision-making, according to a "whistle-blower" witness from that bureau who will soon testify to the charge before Congress, Fox News has learned.

    That witness is Mark I. Thompson, a former Marine and now the deputy coordinator for operations in the agency’s counterterrorism bureau. Sources tell Fox News Thompson will level the allegation against Clinton during testimony on Wednesday before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

    Fox News has also learned that another official from the counterterrorism bureau -- independently of Thompson -- voiced the same complaint about Clinton and Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy to trusted national security colleagues back in October.
    So Hillary wanted to cut the anti-terrorism unit out of the loop when they were both best able to respond and least within her control if it hit the fan.

    Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks - CBS News
    The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command Africa.

    The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

    According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.' And so they missed the flight ... They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it."
    Not quite a stand down, but the sort of squeamish evasion when the consequences were apparent that makes people hate politicians who cant lead.

    Back up info from the examiner:

    Whistle-blower: Benghazi rescue team told to stand down before second deadly attack | WashingtonExaminer.com
    “They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it,” Hicks added. “So, anyway, and yeah. I still remember Colonel Gibson, he said, ‘I have never been so embarrassed in my life that a State Department officer has bigger balls than somebody in the military.’ A nice compliment.”

    He added that “at that time, the third attack, the mortar attack at 5:15, had not yet occurred, if I remember correctly.”

    Hicks also said that he was told repeatedly throughout the night that no military airplanes could fly over Benghazi as a show of force.

    “I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split,” he said. “They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them.”

    The Defense Department timeline of the attack states that two former Navy Seals, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods — medics by training — were killed during the 5:15 am attack as they defended the diplomatic team. Without Woods and Doherty, their were no medical staff on the scene. The special forces team would not have arrived before the second attack, but they wold have brought a medic to Benghazi.

    Hicks is certain that the special forces team was needed. “We fully intended for those guys to go, because we had already essentially stripped ourselves of our security presence, or our security capability to the bare minimum,” he said in the interview.

    When asked “what rationale” he was given to explain why the special forces team was ordered not to board that transport, Hicks replied “I guess they just didn’t have the right authority from the right level.”
    Here is what I think happened. The politicians: Berger/Clinton/Obama did not know the situation on the ground and were afraid to send more of a resonse in for fear of a worse casualty count. Then they tried to cover up that they made this decision instead of admit it was a mistake. A mistake that was compounded with a deliberate mislead about the root causes of the attack.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good golly, well that just proves everything!

    The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

    What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.
    Wow, you people are so prebuscently naive.

    The entire Middle Eastern region is frought with factions and dictators trying to develop or get their hands on WMDs. They were then, and they are now. We're in a steady walk to a massive conflict - the WMD kind of conflict - and it is only a mere matter of time. Probably sooner than later, in fact.

    So imagine if we would have gone into the heart of the Middle East and set up a staging camp to deal with this eventuality. They just bombed the twin towers and our MILITARY HEADQUARTERS. They had been sponsored and protected by Hussein, who has used chemical weapons on hundreds of thousands of his own people already, as had others like him. We KNOW he is seeking WMDs. He probably already has them. Every faction of our intelligence says so, as well as the intelligence of our allies.

    Of course, when you spend nine months appeasing the UN with endless speeches on the subject before going into Iraq.....somebody might move or destroy them. Regardless, the presence of WMD was immaterial for anyone with half a brain. You've got to attack cancer aggressively, whether it's in Stage 1 or Stage 4. We did, and Bush should be applauded for it. Things would be HORRIBLY worse now if he didn't. If anything, he waited far too long after 9/11.

    To some, that is common sense. To liberals, the sitation should have been handled with a little kumbaya, education, and understanding for our poor, fellow, misunderstood Muslim radicals. They just needed a hug. America just needed to mend its mean ways so they would promise not to do it anymore.

    Same with Syria. Surely Assad wouldn't gas his own people. That's just not what people do, unless they're Christians, who all wear hoods and burn crosses in people's front yards. We just need to sit down with Assad and talk about our feelings. Let's smoke some weed with him and get him laid. A little partying will solve this. Let's make the rich people give him some money!

    It is mind-numbing the lengths liberals will go to just to defend those that hate us or threaten the balance of peace. The short-sightedness is dumbfounding.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    [QUOTE=pbrauer;1061778846]Read down further where all those quotes are put into their proper context.[/
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    Why are you trolling through a thread on benghazzi pushing the " Bush lied Perople died " Democrat nonsense ?

    This thread is about how disgusting our current administration is, not about empty untrue Democrat rhetoric.

    IN CONTEXT those quotes STILL mean democrats thought he had WMD way before Bush went into Iraq.

    Care to add anything about Benghazzi ? Or are you going to troll some more posting irrelevent nonsense ?

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I did. To say that Bush (or Republicans) were the only ones who believed Sadam had WMDs is a lie -- no matter how you slice the pie.
    UN weapons inspectors headed by Hans Blix was in country and he w anted more time, however President Bush refused.

    One the Pelosi quote in 1998:


    On 16 December 1998, Nancy Pelosi, a Congressional representative from California and a member of the House Intelligence Committee, issued a statement concerning aU.S.-led military strike against Iraq:
    As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.


    The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people. The citizens of Iraq have suffered the most for Saddam Hussein's activities; sadly, those same citizens now stand to suffer more. I have supported efforts to ease the humanitarian situation in Iraq and my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent Iraqi civilians, as well as with the families of U.S. troops participating in the current action.


    I believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community's requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President, I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and that the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means.

    (In this statement Rep. Pelosi was not urging that action be taken against Iraq in order to destroy its WMD technology; she was expressing support for attacks that had already begun with that purpose as their stated objective.)

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yes. And clearly you know that they aren't doing that. Because, you know. When you're investigating something like this in a foreign country, you always make the details of the investigation public. Just like CSI.
    Maybe that's why the Libyan President went on World-Wide Television to say what he did.....knowing that Team Obama would throw him to the lions, while blaming him and his people.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good golly, well that just proves everything!

    The decision to go into Iraq was on false, made-up premises. The evidence is all there and not difficult to find out. You can choose to bury your head in the sand or seek the truth. If you choose to live off those quotes, then by golly, you chose to stay uninformed.

    What I see in the thread is false outrage and I can't help but roll my eyes when so many Republicans are up in arms about Benghazi, but choose to remain silent when it comes to Iraq. The hypocracy is just too much for me.
    The Libyan President was humiliated and shown to be a liar. When what he reported to World News has now come out to be True. Which was the attack was premeditated and AQ was involved. Then because of us he sacked 2 security Chiefs. I also got that fact down that the Libyans let us know 3 days ahead of time that Benghazi was to dangerous. That's 3 days prior to 911. Then we know he offered up a C130 to take our people. Yet only later to have Hillary testify about the Host Country's Responsibility to provide Security.....not saying it was Libya's Fault. Yet in actual reality and political-wise. That it was Libya's fault.

    Which now all this lil mess did was leave us some problems with the TNC and Libya. Oh and of course Ansar Al Sharia.....who says they control that part of Libya. You didn't think the Berbers would give up control to the MB in Libya now.....did you?

    Got that down now with the Foreign Policy bit?

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