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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Yes!

    However, I suggest Googling those often pegged quotes to find an original source, Maggie.
    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I read them, here is what John Kerry actually said oct 9 2002:

    When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

    [B]Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint with our allies.

    In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

    If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent and I emphasize "imminent" threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs.

    Prime Minister Tony Blair has recognized a similar need to distinguish how we approach this. He has said that he believes we should move in concert with allies, and he has promised his own party that he will not do so otherwise. The administration may not be in the habit of building coalitions, but that is what they need to do. And it is what can be done. If we go it alone without reason, we risk inflaming an entire region, breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots, and we will be less secure, not more secure, at the end of the day, even with Saddam Hussein disarmed.

    Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances.

    In voting to grant the President the authority, I am not giving him carte blanche to run roughshod over every country that poses or may pose some kind of potential threat to the United States. Every nation has the right to act preemptively, if it faces an imminent and grave threat, for its self-defense under the standards of law. The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet that test yet. I emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use these weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent. None of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an attack.

    The argument for going to war against Iraq is rooted in enforcement of the international community's demand that he disarm. It is not rooted in the doctrine of preemption. Nor is the grant of authority in this resolution an acknowledgment that Congress accepts or agrees with the President's new strategic doctrine of preemption. Just the opposite. This resolution clearly limits the authority given to the President to use force in Iraq, and Iraq only, and for the specific purpose of defending the United States against the threat posed by Iraq and enforcing relevant Security Council resolutions.

    The definition of purpose circumscribes the authority given to the President to the use of force to disarm Iraq because only Iraq's weapons of mass destruction meet the two criteria laid out in this resolution.
    He said what he said. If you cannot admit that these quotes were said by the people they're attributed to, you are blinded by your attempt to put the Iraq War squarely and solely on President Bush's back. Yep. The buck stopped there. But 111 Democrats voted to invade, and the quotes I took the time to show you are legitimate quotes by Democrats.

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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He said what he said. If you cannot admit that these quotes were said by the people they're attributed to, you are blinded by your attempt to put the Iraq War squarely and solely on President Bush's back. Yep. The buck stopped there. But 111 Democrats voted to invade, and the quotes I took the time to show you are legitimate quotes by Democrats.

    Period.
    You got it correct the buck stops with the president, he is the one who sent our troops to invade Iraq. He is the one who did not let the weapons inspectors to complete their job.

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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He said what he said. If you cannot admit that these quotes were said by the people they're attributed to, you are blinded by your attempt to put the Iraq War squarely and solely on President Bush's back. Yep. The buck stopped there. But 111 Democrats voted to invade, and the quotes I took the time to show you are legitimate quotes by Democrats.

    Period.
    First off, did you not become aware of these quotes within the last few hours? Secondly, if they're truly legitimate quotations from Democrat politicians, surely there is a record of their musings somewhere on the Internet that isn't some guys blog, right? I mean, you've independently verified the veracity of every quote, correct? So you can point me in the direction of credible sources that validate said quotes, right? You know, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Jerusalem Post, Telegraph, etc? I gotta say, I've looked myself and haven't been able to verify the overwhelming majority of them. How about you?

    FYI - I know and do not associate the second Iraq War as simply a Bush thing. Sure, ultimate approval rests with him, as well some of the drive, but at least on the Republican side it was more of a group effort... lest we forget the neoconservatives (who were the primary driving force).

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " If Saddam rejects Peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Saddams WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION PROGRAM " Bill Clinton, Feb 17, 1998

    " He will use those WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION again, as he has 10 times since 1983 " Sandy Berger , Feb 18 1998

    " Saddam Hussien has been engaged in the development of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION technology, which is a threat to neighboring Countries in the reagion and has made a mockery of the weapons inspection " Nancy Pelosi 1998

    Lol...Libz are so irritated with the victims of Benghazzi. " Why did they have to die RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION !!"

    I guess they like being lied to.
    Well if they change the definition of WMD to "anything which can kill more than 1 person with 1 strike" then they can "technically" get away with changing the lie into a truth in the future. :p I think the news tried to categorize the marathon bomber as using a WMD, on a separate note.
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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    You really don't think the Bush Administration had tunnelvision regarding Iraq? Many people across the political spectrum were to blame, true, but the responsibility always falls on the president.
    This may have been answered already for you, but I am going to weigh in anyway, because it is a typical revision of events of the time that allow the liberal left to distort that time.

    We were going on and on with the UN trying to inspect Iraqi sites that Saddam was constantly playing a shell game with to frustrate inspectors. During that time, our planes conducting the 'no fly zone' were being shot at (an act of war in itself)....

    FF to 9/11/01 and after. The world, along with the threat from that region of the country changed. America had taken civilian casualties on our own soil. We no longer could afford to sit back and play the bluster/threat/wait and see game.

    Saddam was not only responsible for funding terrorists that were attacking our strongest, and only ally in that region, Israel, but was playing a game with the US that at a time of war between AQ and the US was, according to intel across the world, developing an NBC/WMD threat that he was threatening to aid our enemies with in that fight.

    We warned Saddam repeatedly to comply with inspections, the UN warned Saddam repeatedly to comply with inspections, and we obtained not one, but multiple resolutions from the Sec. Council that if Saddam didn't comply we would invade and take him out.

    In the end, and you may not like it, but the UN is not our granting authority. We are a sovereign nation. We gave Saddam not one, not two, but as many as 4 more warnings that we are staging to come in, and he had a granting to leave the nation alive, he had the ability also to stave off attack if he conceded to along with US forces enter, and inspect openly and freely without hinderence. He chose instead to ship the countries gold, treasure, and some still speculate the WMD we were in search of, out of the country to Syria, like so many other ****bird dictators before him.

    In the end, Saddam was a murderous, torturous thug tin pot dictator that played a game that he lost, and as he coward in a hole in the desert, his people were liberated from his crap. It was the right thing to do.

    It is telling however, that liberals defend Saddam, just as they do most world reprobates. But they still chose to live here, and not with those they defend.
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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    At this point I would point out that 44 budgets have been sent from the republican controlled House over to the Democrat controlled Senate never to be seen or heard from again. But, that's a topic for another thread.
    You must be pretty desperate if you want to talk about the economy over the Benghazi coverup.
    Desperate? No. I'm being realistic. The economy is the bigger problem than anything that happen in Benghazi. The deficit is intertwined in everything we do because of how much we give money away. If you are not concerned with the economy, or don't want to talk about it...you are part of a BIG problem with the American public.
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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It's too painful for you to consider malfeasance on Obama and Hillary's part, even though it's obvious.

    But you can't even be objective, because you you weigh political priority over the lives of 4 Americans and the Cover-up thats keeping their families from learning the truth.
    And you can't see a three circus despite the elephants. The Republicans have no concern for the families of the lost American. NONE! They only care about trying to make this a Watergate for the Democrats. That is it.

    They have no regard for actually finding answers...that is plainly obvious.
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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You got it correct the buck stops with the president, he is the one who sent our troops to invade Iraq. He is the one who did not let the weapons inspectors to complete their job.
    Nonsense....There comes a point where dancing the dance of obfuscation, and deflection run out....I am amazed that so many libs are willing to see their American neighbors, or even family members killed before they say 'oh, I guess that we should have done something'.....It's not that you don't care about life as a liberal, it just seems like you care more about the lives of our enemies than you do your own countrymen's lives....
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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    First off, did you not become aware of these quotes within the last few hours? Secondly, if they're truly legitimate quotations from Democrat politicians, surely there is a record of their musings somewhere on the Internet that isn't some guys blog, right? I mean, you've independently verified the veracity of every quote, correct? So you can point me in the direction of credible sources that validate said quotes, right? You know, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Jerusalem Post, Telegraph, etc? I gotta say, I've looked myself and haven't been able to verify the overwhelming majority of them. How about you?

    FYI - I know and do not associate the second Iraq War as simply a Bush thing. Sure, ultimate approval rests with him, as well some of the drive, but at least on the Republican side it was more of a group effort... lest we forget the neoconservatives (who were the primary driving force).
    I believe that list of quotes was originally compiled by Salon - hardly a right wing mouthpiece.

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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In the end, Saddam was a murderous, torturous thug tin pot dictator that played a game that he lost, and as he coward in a hole in the desert, his people were liberated from his crap. It was the right thing to do.
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