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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    So here's my problem with the whole Benghazi meme:

    There have been dozens of different accusations made against the Administration since the moment this event was happening in real time.

    The only accusations with any shred of truth are how the event was characterized.

    Nothing anyone has accused the administration of indicates that any positive action would have had any likelihood of saving lives.

    Monday morning quarterbacking is all fine and good, and it always possible to say that if different decisions were made a different outcome would have transpired. But if one is looking to assign actual culpability, malfeasance, or negligence, one would have to PROVE that not only were standard decision protocols not followed, but that the failure to follow them resulted in these deaths.

    Too much of this meme is based on hatred of Obama and/or a desire to see a powerful political opponent crushed.

    America does not want it's President to be guilty of causing American deaths, but Americans will accept evidence if he is.

    The problem is that this meme is long on accusations but VERY short on any actual evidence that the administration did anything so wrong as to create culpability. Anything, and everything, less than that is just second guessing and political attacks.

    These are very serious accusations that no American should WANT to be true much less be pushing them without evidence.

    I know it "feels" right to people that hate Obama and they would be happy to find him guilty on general principal, but I would argue that this kind of nonsense hurts America more than it hurts Obama and people that are engaging in this witch hunt would wreck the country over political attacks. And the same people have done it before in the ten year witch hunt surrounding White Water, a land deal in which the Clinton's were ultimately the victims of fraud.

    Bingo, we have a winner here.
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    Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(ed

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Bingo, we have a winner here.
    What he said.


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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And let us not forget that many democrats now regret voting to authorize that war. Somthing very few republicans are openly willing to admit.
    Not sure why they should admit to anything. Saddam is gone. Thats not a bad thing. He brutalized people in his country and the region for decades. His sons built human shredders. His special military guard had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to whover they wanted. He openly defied 17 UN resolutions and numerous demands to give an accounting of his WMD program. The UN inspectors...those are the same guys that were being held at one end of an inspection site whilst caravans of trucks were rolling out the back. We didnt know what we knew and only today know what we know because Bush didnt give them yet another 10 years to hide, lie, move, or whatever the hell he did with the remaining weapons...weapons which the UN teams were looking to account FOR because they had previously cataloged them.

    MOST every elected democrat held the same position on Iraq, Hussein, and their WMDs and his threat to the world as did Bush. 29 Senators voted to act. The problem remains NOT with the action. The war was swift, effective, and well executed. The problem (to Bush's discredit) was with the postwar operations. They have made the same mistakes in Iraq that they did (and still are) in Afghanistan.

    The 'lie' rhetoric is bull****. Democrats said the same thing, testified to the same thing and presented the same information for 10 years. That ANYONE would make the claim Bush lied about WMDs and not hold out the same scorn and rhetoric for the democrats speaks volumes.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And let us not forget that many democrats now regret voting to authorize that war. Somthing very few republicans are openly willing to admit.
    They didn't vote for a war with boots on the ground. They would have preferred that UN weapons inspector Hans Blix been given extra time for the search, but President Bush refused so they had to leave. He wanted his war.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    They got suckered into it, like many others waving the American flag. Even the media missed the boat... apart from the 2 reporters from Knight Ridder.
    Sure they did. Proactively as well...since they supported the military actions against Iraq when Clinton was pres and they had access to all that intel long before Bush ran, let alone became president.

    Yeah...they were all just snookered...poor bunch of mindless retarded democrats. Shame on Bush for tricking them. How could they have known (I mean...other than those decades of intel briefings, committee meetings, etc).

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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You keep forgetting that embassy security funding had been reduced by
    congress in its attempt to cut wasteful spending.

    The embassy's were doing what they could with what they had.

    If you wanted the embassy's security to be ironclad, you would need to be willing to provide a blank check.

    STOP LYING....I am NOT a Obama supporter and I'm not susceptable to BS.

    In a Committee on Government Oversight, Charlene Lamb ( the person who denied increased Security ) was asked " Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you NOT to increase the number of people in their security force " ?

    Charlene Lamb : " No sir ''

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Not sure why they should admit to anything. Saddam is gone. Thats not a bad thing. He brutalized people in his country and the region for decades. His sons built human shredders. His special military guard had carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to whover they wanted. He openly defied 17 UN resolutions and numerous demands to give an accounting of his WMD program. The UN inspectors...those are the same guys that were being held at one end of an inspection site whilst caravans of trucks were rolling out the back. We didnt know what we knew and only today know what we know because Bush didnt give them yet another 10 years to hide, lie, move, or whatever the hell he did with the remaining weapons...weapons which the UN teams were looking to account FOR because they had previously cataloged them.

    MOST every elected democrat held the same position on Iraq, Hussein, and their WMDs and his threat to the world as did Bush. 29 Senators voted to act. The problem remains NOT with the action. The war was swift, effective, and well executed. The problem (to Bush's discredit) was with the postwar operations. They have made the same mistakes in Iraq that they did (and still are) in Afghanistan.

    The 'lie' rhetoric is bull****. Democrats said the same thing, testified to the same thing and presented the same information for 10 years. That ANYONE would make the claim Bush lied about WMDs and not hold out the same scorn and rhetoric for the democrats speaks volumes.
    I am not sure a civil war was the intended result of the Iraq invasion.

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    Re: There was a stand down order given in Benghzi

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Bingo, we have a winner here.
    Please. This was a massive screw-up followed by a massive cover-up right before a Presidential election.

    Nothing more, and nothing less.

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    Re: Diplomat:o Benghazi during attacks(edited)

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Again, I ask... you think I'm a Democat?
    Im commenting on the fact that you are engaging in the very same behavior that you are actively complaining about from the other side.

    How you see yourself politically is irrelevent to that point.

    Or, even better, you think I am not without criticism of Obama? I do admit to leaning left, though.
    How are the two mutually exclusive?

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    Re: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told "you can't go" to Benghazi during attacks(edit

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    They didn't vote for a war with boots on the
    ground. They would have preferred
    that UN weapons inspector Hans Blix been given extra time for the search, but President Bush refused so they had to leave. He wanted his war.
    Oh sure, you asked each one of them personally right ?

    What you guys will do to not admit you elected crooks just blows my mind.

    But what does Iraq have to do with Benghazzi anyway ?
    Last edited by Fenton; 05-07-13 at 03:27 PM.

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