• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Hard to find grave for alleged Boston bomber

spud_meister said:
Someone lied to you.
Click to expand...

So you believe violence, murder, and terrorism are "part of" the Muslim faith? Endorsed and condoned?

If the family of the deceased won't claim him, and pay for his burial.... then feeding fish and marine life with him is not "wrong".
 
Dragonfly said:
So you believe violence, murder, and terrorism are "part of" the Muslim faith? Endorsed and condoned?
Click to expand...

No, I believe they're irrelevant to one's faith. A Muslim is still a Muslim whether they're a terrorist or not.

If the family of the deceased won't claim him, and pay for his burial.... then feeding fish and marine life with him is not "wrong".
Click to expand...

Nope, not if it's done in accordance with Islamic tradition. The same way they buried bin Laden.
 
jamesrage said:
Why?They are dead.If you didn't respect them in life why should you show them any respect in death?


That man is subhuman scum, he doesn't deserve any honor.Honor is for people who deserve, not terrorists.
Click to expand...

Funerals and burials are for the living not the dead. So unless you consider his family subhuman scum he should be given a decent burial.

And, I believe, care for the dead is a big deal with Muslims. Want to give that community yet another reason to hate us?
 
DiAnna said:
This silliness is a non-issue. The guy is dead. All this rage about where he can and cannot be buried is not hurting the dead guy. It's hurting the dead guy's family.

Every large city has a "potters' field" where John/Jane Does and unclaimed bodies are buried, in a pine box with a location identification number. Dig the hole, toss him in. The people of Massachusetts have to get over this crap. I guarantee there are the most vicious kinds of rapists, serial killers, mass murderers buried in their state, as there are in every state. One more isn't gonna kill ya', folks. Get over it.
Click to expand...


I think we are kidding ourselves if we assume it is that easy. The merest slight has the potential to spark an international incident and a fire storm of violent protest from Muslims all over the world. Burying this lowlife anywhere near Boston is inviting grave desecration, and an international incident.
 
If being handled in some very specific fashion, after death, is so all-fired-up damned important to some people, then don't commit acts of terrorism using weapons designed to kill and injury large numbers of innocent people.

His own brother ran him over with a car for god's sakes.

Wrap him in burlap, weigh it down with something heavy, boat him out into Atlantic, and "bury" him at sea. Simple. Done.

If no family member claims him, then a specific "burial" ceremony isn't something that should fall on the state/government.

Cremate and bury in an unmarked grave, or feed fish.

If that's not "acceptable" to some people, let those "some people" pay for what they think is acceptable.

Otherwise.... stop playing stupid games and giving this situation any media coverage.
 
Henrin said:
I'm not sure what you mean.

The OP is very disrespectful to the dead.

I personally have a problem with people that show such disregard for the dead. I don't really care what the person did when they were alive everyone should have the decency to leave that behind when the person passes.
Click to expand...

Well, we're different, I guess. To me a dead body doesn't deserve any more respect dead than it did alive.

I will admit that another poster got me to thinking that his family deserves respect; and, for that reason, I've re-thought my stance. Still, this is a family problem; not the funeral director's. I'd bet, as that poster said, there's a Potter's Field cemetery in Boston.

Bury him there.
 
what happened to that "Islamic practice and tradition" that the body be buried with 24 hours.....at least thats what we were told once upon a time
 
I think there is more to this. I think the funeral director is not being compensated as much as he is asking. He told Anderson Cooper he would be glad to ship the body to Ruusia but needed a funeral director on the other end. He also indicated he was going to put pressure on health officials and OSHA as refrigeration only preserves for long. Then the body becomes a health hazard to his employees.
 
Gaius46 said:
Funerals and burials are for the living not the dead. So unless you consider his family subhuman scum he should be given a decent burial.
Click to expand...

The man is a terrorist, so his family can eat a dick.

And, I believe, care for the dead is a big deal with Muslims. Want to give that community yet another reason to hate us?
Click to expand...

I really could care less if the feelings of terrorist sympathizers are hurt because we decided to cremate a piece of **** with some pigs.
 
Let him become part of a science experiment at a "body farm".

Let students do autopsies on him.

Just let the dude's body disappear. Who's keeping such a close watch over what happens to his body if the immediate family isn't willing to step up
and collect the remains?
 
Henrin said:
That fact that someone is "subhuman garbage" as you put it does not in any mean we should ignore respect and decency when dealing with their bodies. We will all die one day, so lets do ourselves a favor and honor the dead with a bit of human decency, ok?
Click to expand...

Are you flippin' serious? LOL

So post mortem, his body is no different than the 8-year-old boy he killed?
 
jamesrage said:
The man is a terrorist, so his family can eat a dick.
Click to expand...

Fair enough. Suffice to say I disagree.



[/QUOTE]I really could care less if the feelings of terrorist sympathizers are hurt because we decided to cremate a piece of **** with some pigs.[/QUOTE]

Until they become radicalized to the point that they plant another bomb. It serves no useful purpose to be disrespectful to that corpse and could in fact backfire.
 
Gaius46 said:
Fair enough. Suffice to say I disagree.



These genetically mutated humans don't need motivation to do what they're programmed to do anyway.

You can't talk cockroaches out of getting into your garbage.
Click to expand...
 
Gaius46 said:
Until they become radicalized to the point that they plant another bomb. It serves no useful purpose to be disrespectful to that corpse and could in fact backfire.
Click to expand...
Regular Muslims are not going to give a rats ass one way or the other regarding how we treat dead terrorists.If anything, regular Muslims consider Muslim terrorists an embarrassment to their religion and are sick and tired of being associated with terrorists.
 
not sure i understand what the big deal is. Dead is dead. Dood is gone. let the family bury the remains where they want with whatever circumstance they can manage, otherwise, bury the body the same as you would any other unclaimed body. Dood is dead. What is left behind is not him. Its irrational to hate the remains and unhealthy to cling to the hatred of the individual.
 
Police: Dead Boston bombing suspect buried

BOSTON (AP) — Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev has been buried in an undisclosed location outside the city of Worcester, police said Thursday after a frustrating weeklong search for a community willing to take the body.

"As a result of our public appeal for help, a courageous and compassionate individual came forward to provide the assistance needed to properly bury the deceased," Worcester police said in a statement.

Sgt. Kerry Hazelhurst said the body was no longer in Worcester and is now entombed. Police did not specify where the body was taken.
Click to expand...
 
Outside Worcester???????? By how many miles?

Va. woman has no regrets over role in burial

DOSWELL, Va. (AP) — The Virginia woman whose actions led to Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev being buried about 30 miles north of her Richmond home said the angry backlash from local officials, some cemetery neighbors and online critics has been unpleasant, but she has no regrets.

"I can't pretend it's not difficult to be reviled and maligned," Martha Mullen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday. "But any time you can reach across the divide and work with people that are not like you, that's what God calls us to do."
Click to expand...
 
jamesrage said:
That terrorist being dead doesn't change the fact he is subhuman garbage.
He is dead,I do not think he cares one way or the other what someone does to his body.
Click to expand...

I may be older than many of you. But I do remember the outrage when an American Marine's dead body was dragged through the crowd in Tehrain. Those folks felt tye same way some of you feel about the Boston Bomber. Yet, as a civilized society, we in the west, bury the dead. In American history their is no end of nasty folks. You bury them. It is not a subject for debate. I am always hearing about this huge population of Christians in America. How come everytime an issue comes up where Christianity would resolve it, the country turns Atheist.
.
 
rjay said:
I may be older than many of you. But I do remember the outrage when an American Marine's dead body was dragged through the crowd in Tehrain. Those folks felt tye same way some of you feel about the Boston Bomber. Yet, as a civilized society, we in the west, bury the dead. In American history their is no end of nasty folks. You bury them. It is not a subject for debate. I am always hearing about this huge population of Christians in America. How come everytime an issue comes up where Christianity would resolve it, the country turns Atheist.
Click to expand...

What exactly, is wrong with a very simple and unceremonious burial at sea in this case?
 
rjay said:
I may be older than many of you. But I do remember the outrage when an American Marine's dead body was dragged through the crowd in Tehrain. Those folks felt tye same way some of you feel about the Boston Bomber. Yet, as a civilized society, we in the west, bury the dead. In American history their is no end of nasty folks. You bury them. It is not a subject for debate. I am always hearing about this huge population of Christians in America. How come everytime an issue comes up where Christianity would resolve it, the country turns Atheist.
.
Click to expand...
A dead service member and a terrorist are not the same thing.So you fail.
 
So your all for dragging dead bodies through the streets - as long as its the bad guys. The point is that in America you have a long tradition of burying the dead. It is considered the Christian thing to do. Now you want to decide which bodies gets buried and which ones do not. For the life of your Country you have had people on death-row. Some are there for outragous crimes. Yet after they are killed they are buried. You have just experienced recent mass murders where the perpetrator ended up dead. You buried the body.

Why are so many Americans, so quick to drop the principles the Country was founded on, when the word 'terrorist' enters the picture.
 
This is a story for about 2 seconds. Unless someone is planning to put up a monument to Tsarnaev at the site of his grave, what's the big deal. What do you think happens when someone like Jeffrey Dahmer dies or any number of other mass murders when they die? The only reason this is a story is because the funeral home director made it a story - this should have been handled behind the scenes and the body quietly buried where it would never be discovered again.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, we're different, I guess. To me a dead body doesn't deserve any more respect dead than it did alive.

I will admit that another poster got me to thinking that his family deserves respect; and, for that reason, I've re-thought my stance. Still, this is a family problem; not the funeral director's. I'd bet, as that poster said, there's a Potter's Field cemetery in Boston.

Bury him there.
Click to expand...

The person that committed the acts is dead and gone.While I don't believe in god or follow any faith what so ever I do believe that when someone dies there is nothing left to feel resentment towards. I realize people don't agree with me, but I don't understand how they can hold onto their hate and further desire to act towards the body of the individual in the way they do.


Erod said:
Are you flippin' serious? LOL

So post mortem, his body is no different than the 8-year-old boy he killed?
Click to expand...

Yes, exactly.
 
Dragonfly said:
What exactly, is wrong with a very simple and unceremonious burial at sea in this case?
Click to expand...

We bury our dead. We do not use our fellow human beings as fish food.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom