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Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

clownboy said:
"renowned"? No, infamous, yes. He won his fame and carved his niche in academia from it. Just a political Kardashian.
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Renowned pretty much means fame...
 
Grim17 said:
Yes, we know... Ayers held the first fundraiser for Obama at his house to launch his political career, they worked together and were friends for years, but Obama does not support his views.
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Of course.. Only a matter of time until Obama got brought into this. So much distortion and so much half truths.. :roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Of course.. Only a matter of time until Obama got brought into this. So much distortion and so much half truths.. :roll:
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Talk to Rocket... He's the one who introduced Obama into this conversation, not me.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Of course.. Only a matter of time until Obama got brought into this. So much distortion and so much half truths.. :roll:
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Why the hell else would anyone still be talking about this numbnuts from the 70s? Because he's a major supporter and butt buddy of the POTUS. Of course Obama's name is going to come into it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Cool. Today he is still a damn good teacher.
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I'm not sure you can be a damn good teacher while holding radical views. Your efforts to present any subject matter are bound to be tainted by your politics.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
What's funny is that the common distinction that those on the right are almost always sure to make is the distinction between violence that targets government/military vs. violence that targets civilians. The Weather Underground targeted government buildings, issued evacuation warnings and, if I recall correctly, nobody died in any of the bombings. In much of the Vietnam War, however, civilians were rounded up by some people in the military and killed - sometimes in atrocious, gratuitous ways. Therefore, by the right's own logic (particularly, by the logic of those who have been suggesting violence as response to gun control legislation), the WUO's actions were more legitimate than certain actions in the Vietnam War just as Ayers is saying. Color me surprised that certain people on the right abandon that logic when 1) someone on the left uses it, 2) the American military is criticized.

*Don't bother responding to me by saying that I approve of the WUO's violence or that I hate American troops or some other predictable response. I don't.
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What's funny is how Leftists stick up for this scumbag.
 
apdst said:
What's funny is how Leftists stick up for this scumbag.
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Very true, and not only defend the man as an educator, but Ayres is also on a panel that decides the curriculum for the public education system at the high school level, I believe....So, this is pervasive, and one of the factors that we on the right talk about when addressing the liberal control over our children's education these days.

Ayres is a terrorist, and so is everyone associated with him during that time. He should be NOWHERE near deciding anything concerning the nations children.
 
Grim17 said:
Yes, we know... Ayers held the first fundraiser for Obama at his house to launch his political career, they worked together and were friends for years, but Obama does not support his views. Just as Rev. Wright was Obama's "spiritual mentor" and friend for more than 20 years, who baptized his children and performed the Obama's marriage ceremony, but of course Obama does not support his views either. Let's not forget that according to Obama's own writings, Communist Frank Marshall Davis was his childhood "mentor" and a close family friend who also relocated to Chicago from Hawaii... But once again, Obama does not support his views either.

We've heard this all before and it just goes to show how right this is.
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Bill Ayers presidential election controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s.[1] Investigations by CNN, The New York Times and other news organizations concluded that Obama did not have a close relationship with Ayers.[2][3][4] Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,[5] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.[3][6] Obama and Ayers' nine years of service on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago overlapped three years 1999–2002.[3][5][6]
 
pbrauer said:
Bill Ayers presidential election controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s.[1] Investigations by CNN, The New York Times and other news organizations concluded that Obama did not have a close relationship with Ayers.[2][3][4] Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995,[5] where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.[3][6] Obama and Ayers' nine years of service on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago overlapped three years 1999–2002.[3][5][6]
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Yup, it's amazing how the left goes out of their way to defend both Ayers and Obama's relationship with the man.
 
Blowing people and things up is an odd way to be against violence. Ayers is full of ****.
 
I think Bill Ayers and the Weathermen have a lot in common with Wayne LaPierre and the NRA. Both believe in personal freedom, hate the federal government and want to exact fear and revenge. The only difference is Bill Ayers grew up and got smarter...while LaPierre is getting smaller and dumbing down.
 
Moot said:
I think Bill Ayers and the Weathermen have a lot in common with Wayne LaPierre and the NRA. Both believe in personal freedom, hate the federal government and want to exact fear and revenge. The only difference is Bill Ayers grew up and got smarter...while LaPierre is getting smaller and dumbing down.
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:shock:

Yeah. So when Ayers buddy and girl friend were killed when the nail bomb they were making blew up, they were just unlucky with their plan to try and exact fear and revenge. Nail Bombs are good at that. I guess Ayers fled after the explosion because he was embarassed.

I'm going to think that most would view an attempt at equivalism such as this as being astoundingly weak.
 
Moot said:
I think Bill Ayers and the Weathermen have a lot in common with Wayne LaPierre and the NRA. Both believe in personal freedom, hate the federal government and want to exact fear and revenge. The only difference is Bill Ayers grew up and got smarter...while LaPierre is getting smaller and dumbing down.
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Stop with the jokes, Moot!! LOL!!

Seriously, though, ther difference between Ayers and LaPierre, is that Ayers comtted treason. He should be tried and sent to the gas chamber for his crimes.
 
Grim17 said:
Yup, it's amazing how the left goes out of their way to defend both Ayers and Obama's relationship with the man.
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Who's defending Ayers? They both served on a board of a charitable organization, so what?
 
pbrauer said:
Who's defending Ayers? They both served on a board of a charitable organization, so what?
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Sure as hell isn't anyone condemning his terrorism.
 
Grim17 said:
Yes, we know... Ayers held the first fundraiser for Obama at his house to launch his political career, they worked together and were friends for years, but Obama does not support his views. Just as Rev. Wright was Obama's "spiritual mentor" and friend for more than 20 years, who baptized his children and performed the Obama's marriage ceremony, but of course Obama does not support his views either. Let's not forget that according to Obama's own writings, Communist Frank Marshall Davis was his childhood "mentor" and a close family friend who also relocated to Chicago from Hawaii... But once again, Obama does not support his views either.

We've heard this all before and it just goes to show how right this is.
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It does, you're certainly buying everything that's said about him.

Ayres was definitely an acquaintance. We don't know how close they were, only that they were on a couple of non-profit boards together, which doesn't mean much. I don't share the political views of every pastor that has preached at my church, I don't even particularly know the views of the pastor that married me. Davis relocated to Hawaii 13 years before Obama was born, so it's not like he moved there to be Obama's mentor. We don't know much about that relationship. You're choosing to believe the worst, and I'm choosing not to believe the worst. But we're both making partisan choices.
 
Do Tea Partiers think Bill Ayers is running for president again?

Stick with the teleprompter meme -- it's more current.
 
rocket88 said:
The first person to mention Obama is Ray. Which is typical. I'm actually surprised he didn't include a gratuitous mention of homosexuals.

Nobody said Bush until you did. Congratulations.
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the subject matter was not Obama, wow just wow, your failure to read is not even amusing
 
ocean515 said:
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Yeah. So when Ayers buddy and girl friend were killed when the nail bomb they were making blew up, they were just unlucky with their plan to try and exact fear and revenge. Nail Bombs are good at that. I guess Ayers fled after the explosion because he was embarassed.
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Yeah, that is very similar to the anti-goverment types preparing to fight against gubbamint tyranny, but the only difference is that the anti-goverment types have actually killed people....and just like Ayres, LaPierre wasn't even there.

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I'm going to think that most would view an attempt at equivalism such as this as being astoundingly weak.
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Trying to connect Ayers to Obama is astoundingly weak as well, but that hasn't stopped conservatives from doing it or even believing it, now has it?
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LaPierre and Ayers
sitting in a tree,
P-L-O-T-T-I-N-G.
First comes irrational fear,
then comes outrage,
then comes firearms
and then mass carnage.
 
Moot said:
Yeah, that is very similar to the anti-goverment types preparing to fight against gubbamint tyranny, but the only difference is that the anti-goverment types have actually killed people....and just like Ayres, LaPierre wasn't even there.

Picture of suspects in St. John Parish shootings starting to emerge | NOLA.com

Alabama Boy Rescued, "Anti-government" Captor Dead

Newtown and the Doomsday Preppers - By J.M. Berger | Foreign Policy


Trying to connect Ayers to Obama is astoundingly weak as well, but that hasn't stopped conservatives from doing it or even believing it, now has it?
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LaPierre and Ayers
sitting in a tree,
P-L-O-T-T-I-N-G.
First comes irrational fear,
then comes outrage,
then comes firearms
and then mass carnage.
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:shock:

:lamo

If you say so...
 
The "illegal part of the Vietnam war was the "incursion" into Cambodia and Laos as commanded by President Nixon.
There was no authority do do so . No discussion or even knowledge in congress that the president was intending to overstep his office by waging war on other countries.
The only people in government who knew of this "incursion", where millions of tons of bombs were dropped on sovereign countries, were Nixon and the Joint Chiefs in the Pentagon.
These are the war crimes and illegal war maneuvers committed in our name under the banner of the Vietnam war.
 
apdst said:
Stop with the jokes, Moot!! LOL!!

Seriously, though, ther difference between Ayers and LaPierre, is that Ayers comtted treason. He should be tried and sent to the gas chamber for his crimes.
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We don't gas people for not commiting murder, Apst.

It's true, Ayers didn't have the financial backing or lobbyists to get laws passed in his favor like LaPierre does.....but both strongly believe in their second amendment rights.....and civil rights....and of course, lets not forget freedom.
 
CalGun said:
Sure glad we can let a radical leftist get a teaching job and mold young minds huh!
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A guy who went out and committed crimes to try and mung things up for what he saw as an oppressive regime who was killing innocent people. Yup, it was illegal, and there are some similarities between him and terrorists who do the same thing even though he may have made effort to destroy unoccupied property. What do you do again? Oh yeah, you buy guns and do nothing. He may be a criminal, but he actually fought a fight. I will recognize the hypocrisy of a supposed pacifist fighting with violence, but isn't it the same hypocrisy of a supposed violent revolutionary who acts like a pacifist?

maybe you should do more because i think he has a job molding the minds of youth while you don't. Jealousy is a horrible thing.
 
Buck Ewer said:
The "illegal part of the Vietnam war was the "incursion" into Cambodia and Laos as commanded by President Nixon.
There was no authority do do so . No discussion or even knowledge in congress that the president was intending to overstep his office by waging war on other countries.
The only people in government who knew of this "incursion", where millions of tons of bombs were dropped on sovereign countries, were Nixon and the Joint Chiefs in the Pentagon.
These are the war crimes and illegal war maneuvers committed in our name under the banner of the Vietnam war.
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You're either young and have never heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail or you're old enough to know and are uneducated. There were very good reasons to bomb the supply routes for the VC.

And btw, if you bone up on your history you'll find the bombings of Laos and Cambodia began under Johnson. Google Operartion Menu.
 
Moot said:
We don't gas people for not commiting murder, Apst.

It's true, Ayers didn't have the financial backing or lobbyists to get laws passed in his favor like LaPierre does.....but both strongly believe in their second amendment rights.....and civil rights....and of course, lets not forget freedom.
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Treason is s crime punishable by death.
 
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