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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

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    What freedom are they fighting for that they don't already have?
    It's not about freedoms we don't have, it's about keeping freedoms guaranteed by our creator...You know, the Bill of Rights?

    Fortunately, not everyone thinks that going back to the dark ages is a good idea.
    Fortunately, not everyone believes that they can just make up, or take away rights on a whim....
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NO, we didn't sign on to the ICC because we value our sovereignty....Also, if you want to go with the premise that Bush mislead, and that equals treason in your eyes, then Obama mislead about this situation, and the same should apply no?
    You don't seem to have a problem stomping on the soveriegnty of other countries but if other countries didn't recognize US sovereignty then for all intent, it doesnt exist either.

    I don't recall Obama going to the UN and lying in order to take us into a foreign war. But do tell if you know something that the UN, congress and the Pentagon doesn't.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't recall Obama going to the UN and lying in order to take us into a foreign war.
    I don't recall any president doing such a thing.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You don't seem to have a problem stomping on the soveriegnty of other countries but if other countries didn't recognize US sovereignty then for all intent, it doesnt exist either.

    I don't recall Obama going to the UN and lying in order to take us into a foreign war. But do tell if you know something that the UN, congress and the Pentagon doesn't.
    No, you're right, Obama went into Libya without even going to the UN...So, yeah....Thanks for reminding me of that...On that note Obama is worse.
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

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    Bill Ayers defends Weather Underground bombings - Local - Ohio



    There is, of course, no equivalence between the Weather Underground bombings and what McCain did. McCain as a fighter pilot in Vietnam was acting on the legal and moral authority of a democratic nation, the United States, while Ayers was committing criminal terroristic acts of violence. Again and again Ayers claims that McCain's actions and the actions of the United States were illegal, but that's only his opinion, an opinion most any legal authority would acknowledge is completely wrong. There is no responsible legal entity that would claim that war in defense of national self interest, in this case as one chapter of the Cold War, is not a legitimate act of a sovereign nation. I know of no one outside of fringe radicals who claims that LBJ committed troops to Vietnam illegally.

    The Weather Underground per se did not kill anyone although in some of their bombings they showed no concern for the possiblity of casualties. Former members of the organization killed three policemen shortly after the group fell apart, apparently in pursuit of revolutionary aims. The Weather Underground on at least one occasion built a bomb meant to be an antipersonnel device, a nail bomb, but it went off prematurely and killed three of their own members instead. Ayers now looks back and tries to claim credit for avoiding deaths, but the nail bomb they tried to build puts the lie to this claim, and Ayers and his ilk should receive no credit just for being poor bomb makers.

    Oddly enough, the acts of the Boston bombers might be more legitimate than Ayer's bombings were if they were acting on behalf of a foreign power at war with the United States. As acts of war they are not, strictly speaking, criminal matters. If they are just a couple of nut cases who imagined themselves as acting on behalf of some cause without any real authority to do so, then it's a criminal matter, of course.
    The US is a Republic, just for your general information. Was Bill Ayers ever convicted of crimes which he is alleged to have been part of? In the US there are rules of law and one is innocent until proven guilty in court not in the court of public opinion. Thanks
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you're right, Obama went into Libya without even going to the UN...So, yeah....Thanks for reminding me of that...On that note Obama is worse.
    Hmmm, Bush and Blair went to war even though there was no UN Security Council vote authorizing it.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The US is a Republic, just for your general information. Was Bill Ayers ever convicted of crimes which he is alleged to have been part of? In the US there are rules of law and one is innocent until proven guilty in court not in the court of public opinion. Thanks
    Well, this is the court of public opinion we are in, so it's all good....
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Hmmm, Bush and Blair went to war even though there was no UN Security Council vote authorizing it.
    You would be wrong on that, but this isn't a thread on Iraq....Start another thread if you want to discuss that, otherwise Pete, quit derailing this one.
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not about freedoms we don't have, it's about keeping freedoms guaranteed by our creator...You know, the Bill of Rights?
    Uhhh well, I know for a fact that neither the creator or the Bill of Rights guarentees anything and that apparently you don't. Yes, you may have the natural right to eat and a right to work and protect yourself, but neither the creator or the constitution can "guarentee" that you will eat or that you will work or that you won't get harmed or killed.


    Fortunately, not everyone believes that they can just make up, or take away rights on a whim....
    The constitution doesn't guarentee or grant rights, it simply protects them by recognizing they exist...and the creator can't change or alter the constitution because that requires an amendment with 2/3 majority vote of the states. But unfortunately, there are too many fools who think they can interpret the constituion to fit their ideology and are so full of irrational fear and nonsense that they've lost all common sense and reason...thats if they even had any to begin with.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you're right, Obama went into Libya without even going to the UN...So, yeah....Thanks for reminding me of that...On that note Obama is worse.
    No, you're wrong, Obama didn't go into Libya, he worked with NATO to provide air support for the Libyan freedom fighters. So on that note, Obama is a far better leader than you deserve.

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