Do you regard it as immoral or illegal if the police have to violently subdue violent criminals?
Do you regard it as immoral or illegal if the United States wages war to defend itself from foreign aggression?
If there were Americans who disagreed with FDR's decision to send troops to the Pacific and Europe to what extent do you believe that they would have been justified in opposing those actions?
If Congress and the President legally, constitutionally commit the nation to war is it inappropriate to protest that if protests might undermine the military's efforts?
Do you think most other left of center people feel the same way?
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“We do not believe any group of men adequate enough or wise enough to operate without scrutiny or without criticism. We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it, that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. We know that in secrecy error undetected will flourish and subvert”. – J Robert Oppenheimer.
I am 62 and I remember it all quite well. Johnson bombed the supply trail within Vietnam and just over the boarder and was careful to do so with small sorties . Nixon's incursions into Cambodia and Laos with B52 carpet bombings were only learned about well after the fact. He did it secretly with the intention of killing and starving millions of civilians.. Both were in violation of constitutional and international law.You're either young and have never heard of the Ho Chi Minh trail or you're old enough to know and are uneducated. There were very good reasons to bomb the supply routes for the VC.
You are saying that any president has the power within his office to decide to carpet bomb any sovereign country without approval of congress?
You need to educate yourself on constitutional powers.
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"The "Flint War Council," was a series of meetings of the Weather Underground Organization and associates in Flint, Michigan, that took place from 27–31 December 1969. During these meetings, the decisions were made for the Weather Underground Organization to go underground  and to "engage in guerilla warfare against the U.S. government." This decision was made in response to increased pressure from law enforcement, and a belief that underground guerilla warfare was the best way to combat the U.S. government."
Weather Underground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aiding or involved by such an endeavor."
Treason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, treason....Bill Ayres is a traitor to this country that is responsible for the death of more than a couple of people.
Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.
Alexis de Tocqueville
No one was ever killed in a weather underground bombing.
If Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground shortened the Vietnam war by only one day or saved the life of only one American serviceman from being squandered they are my heroes.
I believe they did contribute to the shortening of the war and I believe that they saved many Americans by doing that.
The war criminal Nixon on the other hand, purposely sabotaged the Paris peace agreement with the Johnson administration so he could get his treasonous, republicon ass elected in 1968, continuing the war for four more long years and thus killing thousands of American troops and possibly millions of Southeast Asians.
Given the opportunity I would gladly **** on Nixon's treasonous grave.
By the late 70's Ayers gave up on the idea of using terrorism to achieve his agenda, he decided to put his own kind in political office, Change government from with in.
That's where Barack Obama enters the picture.