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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Good for you, we're the same age. Perhaps the difference is that I actually served in DaNang, and you? And yes, the POTUS did indeed have the authority to bomb supply lines. Funny how you exempt Johnson from your indictment - if it was an unconstitutional or unauthorized action, Johnson is on the hook as well. The difference between the two - Johnson committed more and more troops all throughout his terms, Nixon withdrew troops and closed down the conflict.

    Nixon ramped up the bombing because activity on the trail was ramped up at the time.
    I was too smart to take part in that useless un-winnable and immoral war. Sorry you weren't
    LBJ was just as culpable as was Nixon...Dicky just dropped about 1000 times more bombs He purposely starved and killed many, many more civilians so it is relatively a greater immorality.
    Nixon also prolonged the conflict for five long years . The peace agreements had been reached in 1968 before the election when Nixon spoke to the ambassadors secretly telling them he would get them a better deal than LBJ would, so the agreements broke down and the war went on for another FIVE years. Nixon could not have been elected if the agreement held. He did all this to further his own personal political career. This was all revealed recently by the LBJ library.
    Do you know anyone killed in Vietnam between 1968 and 1972?
    I do.
    We can thank tricky Dicky and his immoral, egocentric political ambition for anyone killed there in those five years.
    Do you still wish to defend that immoral, treasonous scum Nixon clownboy?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    And LaPierre and the NRA have never committed terrorist acts. That is a rather important difference that you conveniently left out.
    They don't have to, they have a dimwit, brainwashed following to do their dirty work for them. Arrrg, we'll fight to da death for r second amindment rights..... arf arf.
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    FAIL. Your own link says the copies were verified and authenticated by several sources....and nobody has denied the content of the memos were false, including the people named in the memos. So now what are you going to do....throw another tantrum?
    Now I want you to pay attention here Moot...

    "The media and the Leftists have had a field day with the Downing Street memos that they claim imply that the Bush administration lied about the intelligence on WMD in order to justify the attack on Iraq.

    Despite the fact that none of the memos actually say that, none of them quote any officials or any documents, and that the text of the memos show that the British government worried about the deployment of WMD by Saddam against Coalition troops, Kuwait and/or Israel, the meme continues to survive.

    Until tonight, however, no one questioned the authenticity of the documents provided by the Times of London. That has now changed, as Times reporter Michael Smith admitted that the memos he used are not originals, but retyped copies:

    The eight memos all labeled "secret" or "confidential" were first obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.

    Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

    The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

    Readers of this site should recall this set of circumstances from last year. The Killian memos at the center of CBS' 60 Minutes Wednesday report on George Bush' National Guard service supposedly went through the same laundry service as the Downing Street Memos. Bill Burkett, once he'd been outed as the source of the now-disgraced Killian memos, claimed that a woman named Lucy Ramirez provided them to him -- but that he made copies and burned the originals to protect her identity or that of her source.

    Why would a reporter do such a thing? While reporters need to protect their sources, at some point stories based on official documents will require authentication -- and as we have seen with the Killian memos, copies make that impossible. The AP gets a "senior British official" to assert that the content "appeared authentic", which only means that the content seems to match what he thinks he knows.

    This, in fact, could very well be another case of "fake but accurate", where documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past. One fact certainly stands out -- Michael Smith cannot authenticate the copies. And absent that authentication, they lose their value as evidence of anything."

    Downing Street Memos are Fake?

    Hmmmm....Bill Burkett....Now where have we heard that name.....?

    "Burkett's claims about the origins of the documents have since changed several times. He admitted to lying to CBS about the origin of the memos when he said he got them from fellow guardsman George Conn,[6] then claiming that he received the Killian documents from a woman calling herself "Lucy Ramirez." To date, she has not been identified. The documents, purported to have been typed in the early seventies, are widely reported to have almost certainly been produced with a computer using Microsoft Word on default settings.[7] Burkett claims that he burned the originals after faxing copies of the documents to CBS.[8]
    When asked about Burkett's role in the controversy, David Van Os, Burkett's lawyer, responded with the hypothetical that someone may have reconstructed documents that the preparer believed existed in 1972 or 1973.[9]

    Bill Burkett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Good grief! Give me a break...You people want something so to be true that you make **** up to support your stupid claims....Do us all a favor, and stick to the topic will ya?
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    They don't have to, they have a dimwit, brainwashed following to do their dirty work for them. Arrrg, we'll fight to da death for r second amindment rights..... arf arf.
    For which amendments would you fight to the death?
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    For which amendments would you fight to the death?
    The ones gun nuts have traditionally fought against: the first, the fourth, the fifth, the eigth. It's uncanny how the NRA and boomstrikelovers have always taken the said of illegal government action against unions, civil rights advocates, environmental activists, and anti-war protestors.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The ones gun nuts have traditionally fought against: the first, the fourth, the fifth, the eigth. It's uncanny how the NRA and boomstrikelovers have always taken the said of illegal government action against unions, civil rights advocates, environmental activists, and anti-war protestors.
    Interesting. I would fight for them all.
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    For which amendments would you fight to the death?
    What good is freedom when you're dead?

    But you go ahead and fight to the death....

    Just keep in mind they probably don't have guns in heaven. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Now I want you to pay attention here Moot...

    "The media and the Leftists have had a field day with the Downing Street memos that they claim imply that the Bush administration lied about the intelligence on WMD in order to justify the attack on Iraq.

    Despite the fact that none of the memos actually say that, none of them quote any officials or any documents, and that the text of the memos show that the British government worried about the deployment of WMD by Saddam against Coalition troops, Kuwait and/or Israel, the meme continues to survive.

    Until tonight, however, no one questioned the authenticity of the documents provided by the Times of London. That has now changed, as Times reporter Michael Smith admitted that the memos he used are not originals, but retyped copies:

    The eight memos all labeled "secret" or "confidential" were first obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.

    Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying the originals.

    The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

    Readers of this site should recall this set of circumstances from last year. The Killian memos at the center of CBS' 60 Minutes Wednesday report on George Bush' National Guard service supposedly went through the same laundry service as the Downing Street Memos. Bill Burkett, once he'd been outed as the source of the now-disgraced Killian memos, claimed that a woman named Lucy Ramirez provided them to him -- but that he made copies and burned the originals to protect her identity or that of her source.

    Why would a reporter do such a thing? While reporters need to protect their sources, at some point stories based on official documents will require authentication -- and as we have seen with the Killian memos, copies make that impossible. The AP gets a "senior British official" to assert that the content "appeared authentic", which only means that the content seems to match what he thinks he knows.

    This, in fact, could very well be another case of "fake but accurate", where documents get created after the fact to support preconceived notions about what happened in the past. One fact certainly stands out -- Michael Smith cannot authenticate the copies. And absent that authentication, they lose their value as evidence of anything."

    Downing Street Memos are Fake?

    Hmmmm....Bill Burkett....Now where have we heard that name.....?

    "Burkett's claims about the origins of the documents have since changed several times. He admitted to lying to CBS about the origin of the memos when he said he got them from fellow guardsman George Conn,[6] then claiming that he received the Killian documents from a woman calling herself "Lucy Ramirez." To date, she has not been identified. The documents, purported to have been typed in the early seventies, are widely reported to have almost certainly been produced with a computer using Microsoft Word on default settings.[7] Burkett claims that he burned the originals after faxing copies of the documents to CBS.[8]
    When asked about Burkett's role in the controversy, David Van Os, Burkett's lawyer, responded with the hypothetical that someone may have reconstructed documents that the preparer believed existed in 1972 or 1973.[9]

    Bill Burkett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Good grief! Give me a break...You people want something so to be true that you make **** up to support your stupid claims....Do us all a favor, and stick to the topic will ya?
    J-mac, mac, mac,.....the DSM weren't classified documents, they were notes taken at a meeting in 2002 and the authenticity of the memo's content was verified by MI6 and the UK Foreign Office as "genuine" and no one that attended the meeting has denied the memo's content...not Tony Blair, not Jack Straw, not Richard Manning, not Richard Dearborn....NO ONE!!! So who are we to believe... MI6 and UK Foreign Office and several news sources....or a rightwing blogger????

    A RIGHTWING BLOGGER!!!!

    Ayers...schmayres ...who cares....certainly not the the OP who hasn't shown his face since his first post. So unless you have some new revelations about Ayres.....who cares what we discuss at this point? Certainly not me...or you apparently, j-mac.

    Now uh....about those WMDs and the rightys still living in denial....

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061787959

    It really is sad how many are still living in denial about Iraq's WMDs and can't admit they were duped into an illegal and senseless war. Sad? More like pathetic.

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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    J-mac, mac, mac,.....the DSM weren't classified documents, they were notes taken at a meeting in 2002 and the authenticity of the memo's content was verified by MI6 and the UK Foreign Office as "genuine" and no one that attended the meeting has denied the memo's content...not Tony Blair, not Jack Straw, not Richard Manning, not Richard Dearborn....NO ONE!!! So who are we to believe... MI6 and UK Foreign Office and several news sources....or a rightwing blogger????

    A RIGHTWING BLOGGER!!!!

    Ayers...schmayres ...who cares....certainly not the the OP who hasn't shown his face since his first post. So unless you have some new revelations about Ayres.....who cares what we discuss at this point? Certainly not me...or you apparently, j-mac.

    Now uh....about those WMDs and the rightys still living in denial....

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061787959

    It really is sad how many are still living in denial about Iraq's WMDs and can't admit they were duped into an illegal and senseless war. Sad? More like pathetic.
    So you think that because someone won't respond to your silly made up, so called 'evidence' of a meeting that proves the meeting happened? I don't care if it is a blogger who's opinion is dead right on this, or some source that has to clear your stupid hurdle of acceptance. The fact remains that the documents were made up, and thus loose their credibility.

    Now, if you want me to accept your foolish standard of proof then you in turn must accept those that believe that WMD were shuttled out of the country in convoys, and flights with Russian help days before the invasion of Iraq. There is much more credible evidence of that, than there is some "retyped" host of lies, fairytale that you on the liberal left made up to smear people you hate. So, short of that cry me a river....

    Now on to the topic of the thread, Ayres....He is human trash. But once again, you on the liberal progressive left show exactly who you side with....Just like Columbia University giving a professorship to Katherine Bodine.....or what ever her name is.....So keep showing your asses libs....It makes it easy to see who the enemies of freedom are.
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    Re: Bill Ayers Defends Weather Underground Bombings

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What good is freedom when you're dead?

    But you go ahead and fight to the death....

    Just keep in mind they probably don't have guns in heaven. lol
    Quite all right. Although I have carried firearms professionally, I don't own one. Unless some are willing to die for freedom, no one gets to be free.
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