Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

APACHERAT said:

Kinda bringing on flashbacks of 1973 after Nixon was reelected, Watergate.

Except no one was killed during the Watergate break in or during the cover up.

####, Nixon didn't even know about the break in until after it happened while Obama watched the live feed from an UAV that was above Benghazi while our consulate was under attack.

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I wonder how many leftists know that hi-lited in red? My bet is they think Nixon orchestrated the whole thing. I wonder how many know Hillary was part of the team bringing Nixon down. She should have known better... but she's a Clinton. Their 2016 ticket (remember they're a 2 fer 1) is all but dead now.

Nixon at least had the class to resign, and few realize when he was defeated by JFK and there was evidence of voter fraud in a close election... Nixon didn't pull an Algore... for the good of the nation.

The coverup is the killer, and Obama... seems to be right in the middle of it all. But Obama is no Nixon. He has no class.

Dickieboy said:

ABSOLUTELY! Clinton's 'I didn't have sexual relations with that woman', Bush's WMD assertion both infuriated me. Of course we don't know what EXACTLY happened and much is speculated but that is kinda the point. Is our intelligence arm so weak that we cannot figure out what happened 6 months later? One hopes and believes their leader is somewhat honest but unfortunately they are not which undermines government support. It certainly somewhat supports the recent poll where 27% think an armed uprising is in our near future.

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Now that's the thing, isn't it? We don't know EXACTLY what happened. What it appears so far is that a decision was made about allocating military and diplomatic forces. Was the wrong decision made? It would appear so, but then hindsight is 20/20.

Decisions about military deployments can be mistaken, but they are made. They will be second guessed sometimes, and that's a good thing. Unless there was INTENT to see them die, I can't imagine how that's an impeachable crime.

We all knew Nidal Hassan was a jihadist too. We can't call things what they are because of political correctness.

zimmer said:

I wonder how many leftists know that hi-lited in red? My bet is they think Nixon orchestrated the whole thing. I wonder how many know Hillary was part of the team bringing Nixon down. She should have known better... but she's a Clinton. Their 2016 ticket (remember they're a 2 fer 1) is all but dead now.

Nixon at least had the class to resign, and few realize when he was defeated by JFK and there was evidence of voter fraud in a close election... Nixon didn't pull an Algore... for the good of the nation.

The coverup is the killer, and Obama... seems to be right in the middle of it all. But Obama is no Nixon. He has no class.

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Back during the early 80's I was in the reference section of a research library reading the records on Watergate and I would see the name of Hillary Rodham keep popping up. She was a part of the radical socialist "New Left" who were doing everything possiable to bring down Nixon.

It wouldn't be until 1992 when Bill Clinton was running for President that I hear the name of Bill Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Where have I heard that name Hillary Rodham before ? Bill Clinton married a radical leftist !!!

If you put Hillary next to Bill, politically Bill looks like a right wing reactionary.

If you remember when Bill Clinton committed perjury under oath, Hillary kept blaming a right wing conspiracy because she thought the Republicans were doing the same thing that she did to bring down Nixon. What Hillary didn't understand, Nixon never lied under oath and perjured himself.

I think with in the coming weeks we are going to see that President Obama is an incompetent President and was derelict in his duties on 9-11-12 as Cn'C. That there was a White House cover up on Benghazi to get Obama reelected. And Hillary Clinton will also be shown being derelict in her position as Secretary of State.

The question is, will the MSM give Obama another complete pass again ?

Will the Democrats do the right thing like the Republicans did back in 1974 when they told Nixon, it's time to go ?

APACHERAT said:

Just what I expected, your typical liberal response.

No mention that it was President Clinton's Attorney General Reno who put of the "wall" so the dots couldn't be connected.

If you actually read the 9/11 Commission Report, every President going back to Carter gets those same warnings every morning.

BTW: It was liberal political correctness that allowed the terrorist to board those planes on the morning of 9-11-01.

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See what I mean, tons of excuses for GWB, but when we know the truth about a pretty common problem of foreign attacks on state department people you make a overblown issue out of it. It is always someone else to you unless it happens to be the person you want it to be, and then the truth isn't good enough for you.

APACHERAT said:

Back during the early 80's I was in the reference section of a research library reading the records on Watergate and I would see the name of Hillary Rodham keep popping up. She was a part of the radical socialist "New Left" who were doing everything possiable to bring down Nixon.

It wouldn't be until 1992 when Bill Clinton was running for President that I hear the name of Bill Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Where have I heard that name Hillary Rodham before ? Bill Clinton married a radical leftist !!!

If you put Hillary next to Bill, politically Bill looks like a right wing reactionary.

If you remember when Bill Clinton committed perjury under oath, Hillary kept blaming a right wing conspiracy because she thought the Republicans were doing the same thing that she did to bring down Nixon. What Hillary didn't understand, Nixon never lied under oath and perjured himself.

I think with in the coming weeks we are going to see that President Obama is an incompetent President and was derelict in his duties on 9-11-12 as Cn'C. That there was a White House cover up on Benghazi to get Obama reelected. And Hillary Clinton will also be shown being derelict in her position as Secretary of State.

The question is, will the MSM give Obama another complete pass again ?

Will the Democrats do the right thing like the Republicans did back in 1974 when they told Nixon, it's time to go ?

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The media has no choice but to give Obama a pass. They are responsible for his election. You remember what happened when a plumber did a better job of being a journalist than hundreds of journalists with access? One question where he let Obama ramble on about "spreading the wealth around". They attacked the plumber.

Wright. Ayers. Alinsky. ACORN. No executive or private sector experience. Did not matter. So we got a Marxist. The media's Marxist.

As for Democrats doing the right thing? No chance in hell. They didn't do the right thing when Clinton perjured himself. This is just another moment where Democrats have to rally around their imbecile. And they will. Party and socialist ideology comes first.

zimmer said:

I take it you don't like people talking about Benghazi?

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We have talked about benghazi. We have talked about it far more than we needed to. You have no new evidence in regards to it. We know that the compound was not secure. We know the people there wanted more security. We even know it wasn't provided to them for budgetary reasons, and we are pretty sure Clinton would have seen the request for security even if she did not approve it. What more is there? Do you have some new evidence of more wrongdoing or that it is something more than 4 people dying in hostile foreign land due to defensive weakness? Of course you don't, and this is why you resort to tinfoil hat conspiracy theories and try to make a story out of nothing. People might have been a little more bothered by americans dying in muslim lands if it wasn't for the past decade of war where we have americans dying in muslim lands. Oh, and most of those deaths you don't care about even when they were done because of lies like WMDs in Iraq. There is a cover up that has costed american lives for no reason, and weakened our country.

zimmer said:

Tough darts honey.

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Tough darts?

zimmer said:

Dead Americans and a coverup demand folks like you be kept up to date... up to the minute. After months of coverup... It's a fast breaking story now. Even some journ-O-lists have been forced to cover it thanks to the work of those men and women at FOX NEWS. Thank them.

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How many american lives were sacrificed because Bush did not pay attention to reports of 9/11 plans? How many american lives were lost invading Iraq to get WMDs that were never there, and the cover up of the manufactured evidence that they were? How much do you care about any of that considering the effects were thousands of times worse then benghazi in death toll alone. We know the answer to that last one, you don't care. You have never cared. So your faux concern for american lives lost is noted. As long as lives are lost to republican cover ups you and faux news are happy with it.

zimmer said:

Hate to destroy your Kool-Aid tainted world... but someone has to do it.

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Kweep on making threads, maybe reality will alter and Mitt Romney will win the election.

zimmer said:

Stay tuned... a right winger somewhere will help educate you in your hour(s), days, weeks, years of denial. We are here to assist those who require it most.

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Not possible. You cannot destroy enough of my brain cells to ever get me to accept faux news, or your crazy for that matter.

zimmer said:

Zimmer translation of LibSpeek in Red

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So in other words you still don't have any real response so you will just amuise me with your whining. Maybe you could tell your mommy on me for being mean to your BS and pointing out it's flaws?

Zimmer translation of Libspeek in Red:

tererun said:

See what I mean do you? Do you?, You take the firewall created by Reno and Gorelick and create tons of excuses for why the FBI and CIA did not connect the dots... it's not fair to always blame us for our incompetence.

It's really, really, really the fault of GWB for not correcting this idiocy in his first 9-months in office. But when we know the truth about a pretty common problem of foreign attacks because you know... like they happen everyday on state department people you make a overblown issue out of it because it was only four dead Americans and what the hell does it matter if we did not heed the pleas of those in a terror laden zone.

What does it matter that Obama and Clinton lied and deceived to win an election?

What does it matter if they threatened folks... and anyway... it was a long, long time ago... really, really long time ago... see.

It is always someone else, always the idiotic schemes of leftists to you unless it happens to be the person you want it to be, and then the truth isn't good enough for you because, because, because... it cannot always be the dumb policies of dimwitted, doo-gooder leftists... can it? .

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To twist a well known slogan of Kool-Aid consumers...
YES IT CAN.

The terunrun...
You should be disgusted with what happened in Benghazi. The party requires a cleansing of folks like The Clintons, Obama, Biden... all those folks involved with this mess. It's putrid beyond belief, and you just don't get it.

"Suhm peepl uwe jus kaint reech."

zimmer said:

Zimmer translation of Libspeek in Red:

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Still got nothing to rebutt me with. I will take your concession and enjoy my victory.

zimmer said:

Coverup.
Delays.
Flat-out Lies.
Threats.
Taking the death of 4 Americans and lying for political purposes.

And as Schieffer asked... "why were the talking points changed?" Election2012.

My question is why did the supposed press have to be dragged into this kicking and screaming? Election2012.

Wasn't it evil FOX NEWS that broke and pursued this story when the remainder of the press were on the sidelines picking away at their nostrils?

And another aspect:

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You guys remind me of the 9/11 Truthers

Someone remind me of exactly what this administration was supposedly covering up.........................

pbrauer said:

You guys remind me of the 9/11 Truthers

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Bob Schieffer actually committed an act of journalism today. You obviously failed to watch the vid or read the transcript.
Bobby S. actually used the word "coverup".

You my friend have the qualities of Hillary and Obama.
May you enjoy the moral cesspool with them.

You all know why this is going to remain a non issue right?

1) It makes bama look bad.
2) It makes hildabeast 2016 look worse.
3) Anyone that is bothered by it just hates bama and the beast.

These people don't care that our ambassador died, he's buried, done and they were in the middle of an recoronation party - couldn't be bothered
with it. Next.

tererun said:

Still got nothing to rebutt me with. I will take your concession and enjoy my victory.

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How can you rebut someone who ignores reality? Someone with no grasp of history? You can, but they just won't get it.

Do you know who Jamie Gorelick is, and do you know what other boondoggle she was up to her neck in besides being responsible for crafting the firewall between the FBI and CIA under Frau Reno?

That's why I used the famous line from Cool Hand Luke:
"Suhm peepl uwe jus kaint reech."

You done be that peepl.

Deuce said:

Wait, is this what you people have been whining about all along? Whether or not it was labeled a terrorist attack?

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Oh no, primarily the lack of security and the repeated request that were ignored and the refusal of the administration to step up and provide military support while they were under attack for 9 hours because it would have made BO look bad. They got a drone their in 7 minutes according to General Hamm.

And then the media's ( not all ) complicity in distributing " the video did it " narrative so it would make international news and spark new riots just to strengthen the false narrative.

Obama "disappearance" for 12 hours DURING the attack and the fact Hillary convened a supposedly objective counsel that is NOW being put under investigation.

How about the lies upon lies upon lies which includes Hillary's testimony and the dereliction of duty by those at the WH that cost those people their lives ?

Can no one tell me exactly what has been supposedly covered up ?.........................

zimmer said:

Bob Schieffer actually committed an act of journalism today. You obviously failed to watch the vid or read the transcript.
Bobby S. actually used the word "coverup".

You my friend have the qualities of Hillary and Obama.
May you enjoy the moral cesspool with them.

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WOW! that sounds serious, I guess old Bobby Schieffer has you hooked. :2razz:

zimmer said:

How can you rebut someone who ignores reality? Someone with no grasp of history? You can, but they just won't get it.

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What, you didn't say anything or rebutt anything, so I figured you had nothing to say to refute what i said. Feel free to actually refute my statements in the future instead of some lame ploy.

zimmer said:

Do you know who Jamie Gorelick is, and do you know what other boondoggle she was up to her neck in besides being responsible for crafting the firewall between the FBI and CIA under Frau Reno?

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No, actually please do go through it for us. Explain how this person knows something that proves that this is more than just a state department screw up that killed a couple people in a violent foreign land. Because that has happened to every president in the past half century, and if obama has only lost 4 people to it he is doing pretty good compared to clinton, Buish Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, and many others. Explain to us how these 4 deaths even compare to 9/11 where bush jr. ignored reports that the attack was coming, and allowed for 3000 civilian deaths and a strike within america from america. Then explain to us why you were struck so silent when the information about his coverup came out. Because we would all love to hear why this is so much more important. Don't let me stop you from actually making your case.

If all you are going to do is lame word substitution don't get mad at me because you cannot even come up with a bad excuse for your hypocrisy.

zimmer said:

That's why I used the famous line from Cool Hand Luke:
"Suhm peepl uwe jus kaint reech."

You done be that peepl.

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Maybe if you weren't doing something similar to arguing with an empty chair and losing like your hero has been reduced to, you might have actually not wasted your time with a tactic that really wasn't very hard to counter.

tererun said:

See what I mean, tons of excuses for GWB, but when we know the truth about a pretty common problem of foreign attacks on state department people you make a overblown issue out of it. It is always someone else to you unless it happens to be the person you want it to be, and then the truth isn't good enough for you.

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This thread isn't about 9/11 so please stop trying to take this thread off in to another direction.

If you want to start a thread about who dropped the ball or who's policies allowed 9/11 happen or why Osama bin Laden thought he could get away with attacking America on it's own soil, start a new thread. I'll be more than happy to participate. I'll probably start where the first mistakes were made, back in 1976.

Otherwise keep to the topic, Benghazi; 4 dead Americans; U.S. military being told to stand down while that attack was occurring; British FAF asking the Americans if they could go in and rescue the Americans and not receiving any response; Hillary Clinton dereliction of duty; Barack Obama dereliction of duty as Cn'C; Why two weeks of lying to the American people that it was all about a You Tube video; Who was inside the White House situation room watching live feed of the attack on the consulate; Why was Al Qaeda operating in Libya when Obama said Al Qaeda was on the run and was being decimated ?

Bonzai said:

Can no one tell me exactly what has been supposedly covered up ?.........................

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Good evening Bonz - I'll give it a try.

1. Obama, and many Democrats, at their convention in August/September spoke about Al Queda and terrorists being on the run and decimated because of the policies and actions of Obama and the administration.

2. Just weeks later, the attacks on the the Benghazi compound occurred and there were some initial reports that it was a terrorist attack but the administration's officials at the State Department and the White House chose to claim it was a "spontaneous protest" similar to what was happening in Egypt and elsewhere supposedly related to a web-video insulting to Muslims that virtually no one had seen.

3. Hillary Clinton and others went on TV to apologize to Muslims for the web-video and even created an ad that was sent to Pakistan, Egypt and other countries apologizing for the video even though the government had nothing to do with creating it or showing it.

4. This was all happening as the Presidential election was heating up and the President was vulnerable because this was the first time an ambassador had been murdered since Jimmy Carter's presidency.

5. Even though reports from Libya by State Department officials, CIA officials and perhaps most importantly the media were showing this was a terrorist attack, the administration sent out Rice on the Sunday shows to claim it was not terrorism but spontaneous protests. The administration did not want their Al Queda is decimated meme to be shot down.

That's the basic cover-up. The administration lied about the death of a US ambassador for presidential, political purposes.

Bonzai said:

Can no one tell me exactly what has been supposedly covered up ?.........................

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Now you see you have completely missed the point of tin hat conspiracy theories. Your imagination is so much better than the truth when you are a paranoid delusional like the benghazi guys are. This way you can imagine obama is actually siding with the terrorists and perhaps ordered the strike on the consulate using his secret kenyan muslim terrorists contacts, and he blew it up just to make Romney and the republicans look stupid in the last election by making stuff up abou......Sorry, i don't actually know. I have never personally been that delusional in my life.

But if you want to know what actually happened it is pretty simple. We helped free libya. We set up a consulate in a pretty dangerous location and did not give it much staff. The people there seemed to believe that they could help the libyans establish their government and secure their land. They also seemed to understand the risk they were taking in being there, but believed in their mission. They did request more security, and it seems the request was denied by Hillary's office due to budgetary reasons. The local american haters noticed they were not well protected at the consolate and launched an attack on them that happened to coincide with an event in egypt where people protested a really stupid video insulting muhammed and muslims. In the confusion as to why it happened some state department woman went on some talk shows and said it might have something to do with the protests in egypt over the video. From the beginning it was called terrorism and it has been investigated to find the people who were responsible and blow them up.

What the republicans think is actually going on has never actually been said. They do not even have a real theory as to what is being covered up, but they know it is horrible because they have no theory on what is being covered up and that makes it super spooky. Yes, your confusion is acceptable as everyone is generally confused as to why they are making such an issue out of it now. At least it made sense to blow it out of proportion during the election in hopes that Mitt could capitalize on it, but now they should just let it go.

Bonzai said:

Can no one tell me exactly what has been supposedly covered up ?.........................

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Well, one would be Clinton Cutting Security knowing what the Conditions on the ground, were in Libya. Then there would be that issue that Panetta and General Ham spoke of in not being able to do anything to assist in a battle that took over 7hrs.

Also there would be the material that was chosen to be classified. Despite some material being in Emails and was put over Phone and Radio.

Another issue would be that Team Obama knew Ansar Al Shariah who was acting security for us in Benghazi and was part of the attack. Yet none from the FBI went to see their leader. Who Stayed in a 4 star hotel bragging about it who really Controlled Libya. He was not taken in as a Suspect.

Then there is that whole issue with the Sunni Cleric in Egypt who used social media to get 23 muslims countries to rise up against us all on 911, and as well as who was released after Mubarak fell from Power. The same cleric that caused those In Egypt to riot the Egyptian Embassy.

Oh and that this attack upon the Benghazi was a Predetermined, Premeditated, and Pre-Planned. Unlike Team Obama had stated at first. Then agreed it was a terrorist attack. But that it wasn't AQ. As there are others that would want to do us harm too.

These just for Starters.

tererun said:

I totally agree, some people cannot handle the truth that the US had weak security that was capitalized on by a bunch of terrorists in an unstable country.

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It's time the CIC answered up as to why security was weak and why he didn't authorize help for our people.

tererun said:

Because that has happened to every president in the past half century, and if obama has only lost 4 people to it he is doing pretty good compared to clinton, Buish Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, and many others.

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What an utterly ignorant statement. Name one US Ambassador that was murdered doing his/her job during the Presidencies of Clinton, Bush Sr and Jr., Reagan, Ford.
Ambassador Stevens was the first Ambassador murdered in office since the Carter administration - an equally disasterous presidency led by an imbicile who was more interested in his own image than the needs of his country, eeriely similar to the baffoon in the White House now.

That is not to say that the murder of the ambassador was Obama's fault - it wasn't - but the cover-up after the fact was indeed led from the White House