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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    This thread isn't about 9/11 so please stop trying to take this thread off in to another direction.

    If you want to start a thread about who dropped the ball or who's policies allowed 9/11 happen or why Osama bin Laden thought he could get away with attacking America on it's own soil, start a new thread. I'll be more than happy to participate. I'll probably start where the first mistakes were made, back in 1976.
    We are discuassing the reasons you people are freaking out over something that you never cared about before, and are blowing up four deaths when you actually passed by 4000 deaths less than a decade ago while cheering on the person who covered things up regarding them, including his complacency in them. Your motives for outrage are directly related to your ignoring of explanation of what happened in benghazi, and why you are continuing to make an issue out of something that is pretty normal for an administration. yes, i said it is normal for an administration to suffer attacks that kill state department people on foreign soil. It has happened to the best administrations, and it will happen in the future.

    You have made a tremendous issue out of something you don't really care about, and that is ceertainly part of the multiple threads on this BS at this point. I could accept it way back in October when you were trying to make holes in Obama's campaign. Now there is no purpose to be campaigning against Obama. He cannot win the next election. mittens romnifeller will not win 2012 no matter how many times you say benghazi now. You are not even offering up any new information or even a new theory. We still know the same thing we did a week after the attack. There is no new news at all. . You could have put this is the old benghazi threads, but you had to make a whole bunch of new ones to pretend there is something here. So yes i am going to point out your motivations and lack of consistency in your complaints as part of the reason why you are making such an issue out of somet5hing you normally would just pass on by.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Otherwise keep to the topic, Benghazi; 4 dead Americans; U.S. military being told to stand down while that attack was occurring;
    Like i said, you don't care about this because stand down orders were given on 9/11 and that was never a concern of yours. So this little bit of outrage is faux outrage considering there were 3k deaths in 2001 and you did not care at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    British FAF asking the Americans if they could go in and rescue the Americans and not receiving any response;
    Maybe they did not know what exactly was going on at the time and launching an attack into a sovereign foreign country is not what they wanted to do. yes, i know military action and damning the consequences of sending in troops into another country is something you feel is OK, but other countries tend to frown upon use of force in that manner. Yes, that means sometimes people in a foreign country will die because we respect borders.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hillary Clinton dereliction of duty; Barack Obama dereliction of duty as Cn'C;
    Feel free to show us something that actually applies here. Not just something you wish was an actual dereliction of duty, but something that can be proven to be. Your interpretation of the law is pretty shaky considering your clear bias as shown by your lack of any response to past incidents that have been far more severe than this. So i am going to require a little more than you just claiming there is something there based on your outlandish opinion. There are things called laws with definitions for crimes. Feel free to post what actual laws these two violated, and to show why they should be prosecuted for them. Also, you might want to post some motivations because negligence is not actually dereliction of duty. Just because something went wrong does not mean someone shirked their duties. So please make your case with something aside from your rabid hate of the obama admin. Then I could actually focus on something you said that has a rebuttal instead of just pointing out your hypocritical opinions for what they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Why two weeks of lying to the American people that it was all about a You Tube video;
    It was less than a week before they realized the video was not the reason, and people asked them for their theories as to why the attack happened and they gave them their ideas at the time. Unless you are going to make a claim that Obama was omnipotent and therefor does not suffer from the need to investigate to find out the truth, you have no real complaint here. Actually i think 2 weeks is pretty good considering it was in a country and a place we didn't have much access to at the time. If you are really angry at the confusion perhaps you should blame the filmmaker who sent egypt into an uproar with his terrible film and obscured the real reason behind these attacks.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Who was inside the White House situation room watching live feed of the attack on the consulate;
    Ok, were they snorting coke in the room, or playing keep away with dick cheney's new heart? Did some sort of crime occur in that place and time that we should know about?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Why was Al Qaeda operating in Libya when Obama said Al Qaeda was on the run and was being decimated ?
    Because they are a terrorist organization who has cells in many countries and is not just in one place? You do know what terrorism is, right? You do know that they don't just happen in afganistan, right?

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's time the CIC answered up as to why security was weak and why he didn't authorize help for our people.
    Security was weak due to the budgetary problems of the state department and having to cover embasies all over the world with a budget of their own that is not tied into the military. That has been explained time and time again. Plus, this was libya right after a revolution. This was a dangerous place with lots of instability. There were weapons of war all over the place and a compound would have been hard to defend against heavily armed supporters even with staff.

    As for why we did not invade libya and start killing their people, countries tend to dislike the US charging into sovereign nations without permission from their governments. Yes, i know US citizens were dying, but that does not mean the US can operate in whatever way it wants to internationally. 4 people does not make a war with libya. Sorry, but your expectations are well beyond international treaties and rules. Yes, I am glad obama did not decide to declare war on libya over 4 people.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    What an utterly ignorant statement. Name one US Ambassador that was murdered doing his/her job during the Presidencies of Clinton, Bush Sr and Jr., Reagan, Ford.
    Ambassador Stevens was the first Ambassador murdered in office since the Carter administration - an equally disasterous presidency led by an imbicile who was more interested in his own image than the needs of his country, eeriely similar to the baffoon in the White House now.

    That is not to say that the murder of the ambassador was Obama's fault - it wasn't - but the cover-up after the fact was indeed led from the White House
    Attacks on the state department in foreign countries happen all the time. This is not new and trying to pretend it is by limiting it to s specific position undermines the objections to american lives being lost when you really only want to count certain ones when you are backpedaling to pretend you have a point. But then again you would be conservative light.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Security was weak due to the budgetary problems of the state department and having to cover embasies all over the world with a budget of their own that is not tied into the military. That has been explained time and time again. Plus, this was libya right after a revolution. This was a dangerous place with lots of instability. There were weapons of war all over the place and a compound would have been hard to defend against heavily armed supporters even with staff.

    As for why we did not invade libya and start killing their people, countries tend to dislike the US charging into sovereign nations without permission from their governments. Yes, i know US citizens were dying, but that does not mean the US can operate in whatever way it wants to internationally. 4 people does not make a war with libya. Sorry, but your expectations are well beyond international treaties and rules. Yes, I am glad obama did not decide to declare war on libya over 4 people.
    A Dangerous place with lots of instability.....now you have answer as to why the Screw ups. Oh and using the argument of other screw-ups with other administrations. Don't count. As That screw up changes nothing about those that screwed up now. As well as doing the wrong is never.....Right.

    Which changes nothing about this Administration.....who was more concerned about Obama's re-election than they were about the Anniversary of 911. Benghazi or any of Obama's Other foreign policy.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Now you see you have completely missed
    the point of tin hat conspiracy theories. Your imagination is so much better than the truth when you are a paranoid delusional like the benghazi guys are. This way you can imagine obama is actually siding with the terrorists and perhaps ordered the strike on the consulate using his secret kenyan muslim terrorists contacts, and he blew it up just to make Romney and the republicans look stupid in the last election by making stuff up abou......Sorry, i don't actually know. I have never personally been that delusional in my life.

    But if you want to know what actually happened it is pretty simple. We helped free libya. We set up a consulate in a pretty dangerous location and did not give it much staff. The people there seemed to believe that they could help the libyans establish their government and secure their land. They also seemed to understand the risk they were taking in being there, but believed in their mission. They did request more security, and it seems the request was denied by Hillary's office due to budgetary reasons. The local american haters noticed they were not well protected at the consolate and launched an attack on them that happened to coincide with an event in egypt where people protested a really stupid video insulting muhammed and muslims. In the confusion as to why it happened some state department woman went on some talk shows and said it might have something to do with the protests in egypt over the video. From the beginning it was called terrorism and it has been investigated to find the people who were responsible and blow them up.

    What the republicans think is actually going on has never actually been said. They do not even have a real theory as to what is being covered up, but they know it is horrible because they have no theory on what is being covered up and that makes it super spooky. Yes, your confusion is acceptable as everyone is generally confused as to why they are making such an issue out of it now. At least it made sense to blow it out of proportion during the election in hopes that Mitt could capitalize on it, but now they should just let it go.
    As the coverage continues and self described whistle blowers testify under oath this week, your opinion will be marginalized down into a minority of people who are more irritated that those people had to die that close to the election.

    Instead of being irritaed there was a top down concerted effort to cover up a terroist attack for political reasons that just took Hillary out of the running for 2016 and further reminds Americans who respect integrity of what a collosal mistake Obama was.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Okay, let's say we all agree that the attack on the U.S Embassy in Benghazi, Lybia was a cover-up, that the storyline given by the Obama Administration and repeated on the Sunday talk shows was indeed a cover-up orchestrated by CIA officials within the Obama Administration. Now what?

    What's the end-game for Republicans on this issue?

    I mean, yes, it's tragic that four Americans lost their lives, but what exactly do Republicans in Congress really hope to gain by getting their "gotcha" witnesses to say "Yes, officials within the White House knew this wasn't some random attack sparked by some anti-Islamic video"?

    I've read a good portion of the emails and other details on the incident and I'm still trying to understand even after these new witnesses testify of what they saw or knew what folks like Rep. Issa hopes to gain here. A confession by the President himself?

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Okay, let's say we all agree that the attack on the U.S Embassy in Benghazi, Lybia was a cover-up, that the storyline given by the Obama Administration and repeated on the Sunday talk shows was indeed a cover-up orchestrated by CIA officials within the Obama Administration. Now what?

    What's the end-game for Republicans on this issue?

    I mean, yes, it's tragic that four Americans lost their lives, but what exactly do Republicans in Congress really hope to gain by getting their "gotcha" witnesses to say "Yes, officials within the White House knew this wasn't some random attack sparked by some anti-Islamic video"?

    I've read a good portion of the emails and other details on the incident and I'm still trying to understand even after these new witnesses testify of what they saw or knew what folks like Rep. Issa hopes to gain here. A confession by the President himself?
    That's just it.....no one is saying the CIA orchestrated the cover up. As a matter of fact. Access to their classified documents has been leading to Team Obama and their Covering up of what they knew at the time. As well as What I have already stated. Concerning Obama on the 10th and with his Re-election.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good evening Bonz - I'll give it a try.

    1. Obama, and many Democrats, at their convention in August/September spoke about Al Queda and terrorists being on the run and decimated because of the policies and actions of Obama and the administration.

    2. Just weeks later, the attacks on the the Benghazi compound occurred and there were some initial reports that it was a terrorist attack but the administration's officials at the State Department and the White House chose to claim it was a "spontaneous protest" similar to what was happening in Egypt and elsewhere supposedly related to a web-video insulting to Muslims that virtually no one had seen.

    3. Hillary Clinton and others went on TV to apologize to Muslims for the web-video and even created an ad that was sent to Pakistan, Egypt and other countries apologizing for the video even though the government had nothing to do with creating it or showing it.

    4. This was all happening as the Presidential election was heating up and the President was vulnerable because this was the first time an ambassador had been murdered since Jimmy Carter's presidency.

    5. Even though reports from Libya by State Department officials, CIA officials and perhaps most importantly the media were showing this was a terrorist attack, the administration sent out Rice on the Sunday shows to claim it was not terrorism but spontaneous protests. The administration did not want their Al Queda is decimated meme to be shot down.

    That's the basic cover-up. The administration lied about the death of a US ambassador for presidential, political purposes.


    I'm still crafting my response as I became "high" in the meantime and I keep forgetting what Im going to say...............

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Attacks on the state department in foreign countries happen all the time. This is not new and trying to pretend it is by limiting it to s specific position undermines the objections to american lives being lost when you really only want to count certain ones when you are backpedaling to pretend you have a point. But then again you would be conservative light.

    An American ambassador gets killed by terrorists all the time??? I think a civil way to classify that remark is to call it mistaken. To call it a lie would not be nice.

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    Re: Official: We knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack "from the get-go"

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    An American ambassador gets killed by terrorists all the time??? I think a civil way to classify that remark is to call it mistaken. To call it a lie would not be nice.
    Gee, something smells in all this. Reagan got 100's of Americans killed in Lebanon and the reaction was "Ronald St. Reagan is the father of this country and Jesus likes him too, alot".......................

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