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Israel launches airstrike into Syria

Too bad Obama doesn't has Reagan's 'stones'. If he did he'd do a 'Reagan' on Assad's palace like Reagan did to Gaddafi. Nothing like having some EF-111's drop a few dozen one ton bombs on your palace to curdle you milk.
 
cpwill said:
Fair 'nuff. But a "me too" without being willing to explain ones' support is a fairly weak defense.
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IMO, debating about the Middle East is like a broken pencil...pointless.
 
DA60 said:
IMO, debating about the Middle East is pointless.
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Especially when tempermental kids start throwing around all sorts of unfounded accusations against the ethnicity they hate.
 
niff said:
Too bad Obama doesn't has Reagan's 'stones'. If he did he'd do a 'Reagan' on Assad's palace like Reagan did to Gaddafi. Nothing like having some EF-111's drop a few dozen one ton bombs on your palace to curdle you milk.
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Yeah.....and the password is Syrian Air Power. That which Assad has.....and that which Gadhafi never had. Just sayin! ;)
 
tererun said:
OK, the answer is no, go fight your own fight. They started it and now they get the effects of going and launching terror attacks on other countries. If you want to get out of it then leave. there is the US, europe, and other countries where there is peace. Sorry, but we are terrible peacekeepers as illustrated by our past attempts, and isreal has reasons they are getting attacked.
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That's a pic of Syrian civilians begging the West to stop the slaughter. It was ~60k dead civilians ago and they are still asking for our help. They're fighting as hard as they can and taking casualties beyond our imagination.

It's not a pic of Israelis.

How can I debate you if you have absolutely no idea what's going on?
 
And as Washington considers how to handle evidence of chemical weapons use by the Syrian government, a development it has described as a “red line,” Israel is clearly showing that it will stand behind the red lines it sets.

“The Israelis are saying, ‘O.K., whichever way the civil war is going, we are going to keep our red lines, which are different from Obama’s,’ ” said Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html?_r=0
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Well... if that isn't a bitch slap.
 
Hicup said:
Demonize Israel? Dude, I'm Jewish! LOL

What I said makes perfect sense and in no way denigrates Israel! Wise UP!


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Sorry, but American Jews are unfairly critical of Israel all the time. They keep saying that they can be anti-Zionist (or anti-Likud, or whatever) and not anti-Jew. So, which is it? Is being Jewish tantamount to being pro-Israel or not?
 
tererun said:
I really don't care if isreal and Syria want to have a little spat. What I do care about is eventually Isreal will be coming to it's big brother USA when everyone around starts looking to pound her into the dirt for being a bitch. As long as we just wag our fingers at the people who retaliate on Isreal for her acts of war I am fine, but I don't feel like spending money the US doesn't have in isreal's war when isreal is about to get it's ass handed to it for ****ing with it's neighbors. We should hang them out to dry so they learn the US army is not theirs to manipulate into their defense. If anyone wants to actually go fight for the Isreali people i invite you to go to syria and fight, but don't send the army of the US to fight their battles for them.
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I don't really place any importance on the opinion of someone who can't spell "Israel" correctly.
 
tererun said:
yes, and that is why we wag our fingers at people. Enforcing our rules on other countries through military is being the world police, and that is exactly what you are advocating. unless you just want us to wag our fingers at them and say bad syria and go on with life and then I agree with you that works for me.
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If you are walking through the street at night, and see a man raping a woman, would you be the "city's police" if you came to the aid of the victim?
 
DA60 said:
What on Earth are you talking about?

Everything he/she typed in that post you quoted was (imo) dead right.

Israel IS a state that CLEARLY favours The Jewish religion over all others.

America is about separation of Church and state...Israel is the exact opposite.


And you call him/her a bigot for speaking the truth?

One can not approve of a group of people's actions and yet still see them as equals.

I do not know if he/she is a bigot or not...but I saw little/nothing in his/her post to indicate they are.


Maybe you should learn a little wisdom before you start calling people 'bigots' just because you don't like what they say.
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Israel's about as much of a theocracy as we are. There are a handful of parties that want to enforce Jewish religious law, but they are in the minority. There are faster paths to citizenship if you're Jewish, but that is more ethnic than religious and is basically given to any sect of Judaism.
 
ecofarm said:
It's not a pic of Israelis.
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And Israel doesn't launch terror attacks against other countries. Nothing that Israel has ever done for most of its history can be considered terrorism. Terrorism is a method in which civilians are targeted in order to instill fear in that country. Aside from their reprisal attacks against civilians fairly early in their history, everything they've done has been for militarily strategic purposes.
 
justabubba said:
i believe it is called target practice
iran is supposed to notice
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I think it's more of getting a positive chip in the game so when the rebels take over, they can't say we didn't do anything then have a huge so "**** you" attitude towards us.
 
It sounds like it was an attack on a convoy carrying SAM's. This doesn't seem to be an overly complex story.
 
Stumbled upon a video of the alleged strike (speculation at this point, not confirmed). Impressive to say the least.

 
poweRob said:
I think it's more of getting a positive chip in the game so when the rebels take over, they can't say we didn't do anything then have a huge so "**** you" attitude towards us.
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Well.....I think Hillary giving them 15 Mil. Then us giving them another 60 Mil in March. Then another 128 mil this last month. Says we got Rights to tell the Rebels to STFU should they decide to flap their gums at us by saying we did nothing.

Then I would slap that FSA leader upside his head
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.....ask him How that Radar tracking helped keep his azz alive when we were helping them to evade capture.
 
poweRob said:
I think it's more of getting a positive chip in the game so when the rebels take over, they can't say we didn't do anything then have a huge so "**** you" attitude towards us.
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showing solidarity with the rebels was not a wrong turn. however, israel was absolutely the wrong state to get involved in this:
Israel’s jingoism inside Syria is intolerable. Tel Aviv, by flying sorties over the Arab country’s airspace, has not only violated its sovereignty but has also opened a Pandora’s box over what is to come next. ... The least that Washington should do — and that too without any excuses — is to keep Israel away from the mess in Syria. Only then can the crisis be managed within the geographic limits of the war-torn country. Otherwise, this strike episode could just be a prelude to another full-fledged war in the region.
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Israeli transgression - Khaleej Times
 
While Obama is attending the donkey shows in Mexico, Israel just attacked Damascus for the second time just a couple of hours ago.



>" BEIRUT, Lebanon — A series of powerful explosions rocked the outskirts of Damascus early Sunday morning, which Syrian state television said was the result of Israeli missile attacks on a Syrian military installation.

If true, it would be the second Israeli airstrike in Syria in two days and the third this year. ("If true." How stupid is the N.Y.Times ? There have been two videos of the blast posted on Twitter in the past 90 minutes.)

The airstrike that Israeli warplanes carried out in Syria overnight on Thursday was directed at a shipment of advanced surface-to-surface missiles from Iran that Israel believed was intended for Hezbollah, American officials said Saturday. That strike was aimed at disrupting the arms pipeline that runs from Syria to Hezbollah, the militant Lebanese organization, and it highlighted the mounting stakes for Hezbollah and Israel as Syria becomes more chaotic. "> More-> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/05/world/middleeast/israel-syria.html
 
MadLib said:
And Israel doesn't launch terror attacks against other countries. Nothing that Israel has ever done for most of its history can be considered terrorism. Terrorism is a method in which civilians are targeted in order to instill fear in that country. Aside from their reprisal attacks against civilians fairly early in their history, everything they've done has been for militarily strategic purposes.
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really?

the foundation of the state of Israel was based on terrorism ... if the Brits and the UN had not caved in to terrorism .... there would be no Israel!
 
As the Regime destabilises it makes sense that neighbouring states would take measures to neutralise certain stock piles of weapons that it would deem a threat to their own national security. What's really going on, I have no idea.
 
Yeah, lets just hope it isn't perceived as that Israel is going just after Assad. They Might want to bomb some of the Rebels just in case. This way they can't be accused of interfering in a civil war.
 
From The Washington Post:

The official Syrian Arab News Agency said that a scientific research facility had been struck by an Israeli missile...

Reuters reported that an Israeli military spokeswoman had refused to comment, but the Associated Press quoted an anonymous Middle East intelligence official as confirming the state media reports. The target was Fateh-110 missiles, which have precision guidance systems with better aim than anything Hezbollah is known to have in its arsenal, the official said.

Syrian report: Israel bombs outskirts of Damascus for second time in recent days - The Washington Post

Such missiles, if they were received by Hezbollah, would strengthen that terrorist organization's capabilities. Israel's targeting their shipments and facilities in which they are manufactured (probably Syria's reference to a "scientific research facility") makes sense. Israel, like any other nation, has to be prepared to safeguard its vital interests.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
really?

the foundation of the state of Israel was based on terrorism ... if the Brits and the UN had not caved in to terrorism .... there would be no Israel!
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Yeah, they rebelled against British rule, just like us. There's a difference between revolting against a colonial power and terrorism. During British rule there were Arab massacres of Jews within mandatory Palestine that the British were ineffective at stopping. The British did, however, roughly oppose Jewish independence and reneged on the Balfour declaration. The Jews had every right to rebel.

What was to become the main fighting force of the IDF, the Haganah, rarely engaged in terrorism. Only the revisionist Zionist movements like Irgun and Lehi systematically murdered Arab civilians, and the Haganah tried as much as possible to distance itself from those two terrorist groups. If I am not mistaken Israel recognizes them as terrorists even today.
 
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justabubba said:
showing solidarity with the rebels was not a wrong turn. however, israel was absolutely the wrong state to get involved in this: Israeli transgression - Khaleej Times
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A "sovereign state?" LOL, Syria is hardly sovereign when in the midst of a civil war that the government is likely going to lose. And if Assad doesn't want Israel to bomb inside Syria then he shouldn't allow Hezbollah to operate inside his country. But he'll never do that, since both Iran and Hezbollah are his allies.

And speaking of Hezbollah, what's it doing in Syria? Isn't it a Lebanese political party? And why is Iran also inside Syria?
 
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MMC said:
Yeah.....and the password is Syrian Air Power. That which Assad has.....and that which Gadhafi never had. Just sayin! ;)
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.....what is this thread about, again?
 
marywollstonecraft said:
really?

the foundation of the state of Israel was based on terrorism ... if the Brits and the UN had not caved in to terrorism .... there would be no Israel!
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This isn't the thread for it, and this thread had already been jacked enough....

but you do know that this claim has no historical legitimacy, yes? The State of Israel was built upon Israeli acceptance of the UN division. Which looked like this:

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Surrounding Arab states refused the partition and then attacked. Israel seized enough land to make herself somewhat more contiguous and defensible in the fighting that followed.

However, there was no way that the British post-WWII wanted to try to keep control over Palestine as a piece of imperial property. They were divesting as rapidly as they could.
 
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