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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    yup, we are not the world's police.
    False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).

    If we are going to worry about genocide i think we should hit both isreal and syria. They are both guilty, and no we are still not their police force no matter how emotional you want to get about it.
    I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals. One more time, just so you might notice: Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad.

    If they want protection from genocide then fill out immigration papers and come here. Come within the land borders we protect.
    Who, Syrians?? hahaha


    no one asked us to be world police,
    Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:

    Syria-protests-young-child.jpg



    and no you are not close to moral enough to take on that role.
    You're not American?
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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, let's stop pretending. We all know that this strike is intended to get Iran to understand that Israel is serious. That was the only purpose.
    That's amazing. What kind of source do you have inside the senior IDF command that you have this kind of information?

    Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt they will play up the message-angle. I just think that suppositions that Israel just picked some kind of random target in Syria and decided to blast it is..... reaching.... Israel's immediate goals (avoid Syrian WMD's falling into the hands of people even more nutty than the regime) just happen to share a nice overlap with her median goals (prevent Iran from developing a nuclear capability).

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).

    I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals. One more time, just so you might notice: Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad

    Who, Syrians?? hahah


    Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:

    Syria-protests-young-child.jpg

    You're not American?
    Yeah. It's interesting to compare this discussion to the one in which liberals are claiming that they have more empathy than conservatives do.

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False dichotomy. The US can give a crap about other countries and not be the "world police" (whatever that might mean to you personally).
    yes, and that is why we wag our fingers at people. Enforcing our rules on other countries through military is being the world police, and that is exactly what you are advocating. unless you just want us to wag our fingers at them and say bad syria and go on with life and then I agree with you that works for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I just want to remind you that this strike has nothing to do with any conflict between Israel and Syria. It's about terrorists, weapon transfers and possibly chemicals.
    Yeah, and those chemical weapons are not coming to the US. guess who they are going to be used on? Yup, it is isreal, the same people who use chemical weapons on their own people when they are not jews. So I don't care. Isreal is in trouble without the backing of the US, and maybe it is time for them to learn to be more polite to their neighbors. However, if they need to go to war then I don't care if they do. If they have made people around them so mad they would use chemical weapons on them in acts of terror then that is the security of their country they can try to protect. It is not our job. If you actually care about the issue i welcome you to go there and fight for your beliefs. If you want to send others to fight for your beliefs i will not support that. Have the courage to do something yourself before you demand the US army do anything for ungrateful people like the Isrealis who have opened fire on US military ships in the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One more time, just so you might notice:

    Israel is making no attempt to overthrow Assad.
    Again, it doesn't matter. When they go to retaliate against isreal they will expect US citizens to die for their people. they will expect our armed forces to die before they will allow theirs to. I don't care to send a single US troop to die for Isrealis and their country. However, i will repeat for another time if you wish to go there and help them in their fight I am certainly not going to stop you. I would even be up for providing cheapo military transport of people willing to fight for isreal over to isreal. Bye, have fun. Eat a bagel for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Who, Syrians?? hahaha
    Well, I was talking about jews who don't want to be destroyed in retaliation, but really anyone willing to live mostly peacefully under american rules is fine as far as i am concerned.


    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sure they did, ~60k dead civilians ago:
    OK, the answer is no, go fight your own fight. They started it and now they get the effects of going and launching terror attacks on other countries. If you want to get out of it then leave. there is the US, europe, and other countries where there is peace. Sorry, but we are terrible peacekeepers as illustrated by our past attempts, and isreal has reasons they are getting attacked.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    You're not American?
    Nope, i am american. i am not isreali. I have no allegiance to isreal, nor do I really care about them at all. I don't pay taxes to help them. i don't get any benefit from their existence. I don't see them as being any protection for my rights. There is no downside to saying GFY to them. But if you care deeply about it feel free to do something about it yourself instead of expecting others to fight a battle for you.

    Now i notice you indicate you come from florida. Are you american, or are you Isreali? You seem to care much more about Isreal than you do about america and perhaps your allegiance lies elsewhere? Do you pledge allegiance to the united states of isreal, or do you pledge allegiance to the USA? The US is not under the command of isreal nor does it need to respond to defend isreal against it's enemies. It is not a state in the US. As a matter of fact the state of isreal is a functioning religious state which makes it in violation of the constitution and it could not exist in the US due to many of it's religious laws. It is not even a country that pretends to be free and equal. It is a religious theocracy and I do not see any need to fight for the jews or a jewish state. before you go whining about antisemitism i wouldn't fight for a muslim or a christian state either. The jews want their homeland let them shed blood for it. They should not be asking goyum to die for their land. Maybe i might give more of a damn about their country and their problems if i wasn't sub human goyum who they wouldn't give full rights to in their own state even though they beg my country for help every time they get in over their heads.

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

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    Officials: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Israel launched an airstrike into Syria, apparently targeting a suspected weapons site, U.S. officials said Friday night.

    The strike occurred overnight Thursday into Friday, the officials told The Associated Press. It did not appear that a chemical weapons site was targeted, they said, and one official said the strike appeared to have hit a warehouse.

    The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

    Israel has targeted weapons in the past that it believes are being delivered to the Lebanon-based militant group Hezbollah. Earlier this week, Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said his group would assist Syrian President Bashar Assad if needed in the effort to put down a 2-year-old uprising.

    Israeli Embassy spokesman Aaron Sagui would not comment Friday night specifically on the report of an Israeli strike into Syria.

    "What we can say is that Israel is determined to prevent the transfer of chemical weapons or other game-changing weaponry by the Syrian regime to terrorists, specially to Hezbollah in Lebanon," Sagui said in an email to the AP.

    In 2007, Israeli jets bombed a suspected nuclear reactor site along the Euphrates River in northeastern Syria, an attack that embarrassed and jolted the Assad regime and led to a buildup of the Syrian air defense system. Russia provided the hardware for the defense systems upgrade and continues to be a reliable supplier of military equipment to the Assad regime.

    Alright... who the F knows how this all came about but my tin foil hat is screaming on this one. Syria crossed Obama's line in the sand and Israel attacks. Here's what it looks like with my hat on... Now, instead of the big fear of the U.S. arming the rebels who may very well be more religiously fanatic than we'd like who'd then in turn attack the west or support terrorist groups against us and Israel... now these potential fanatics when they land Syria by ousting Assad, they practically have to give Israel some kind of kudos starting them off in a rather akward position for trying to hate the guys that very publicly helped them.
    I don't think that will be all that useful to Israel really. not that they'd mind. they can blow everyone in the region to smithereens anyway.
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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's amazing. What kind of source do you have inside the senior IDF command that you have this kind of information?

    Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt they will play up the message-angle. I just think that suppositions that Israel just picked some kind of random target in Syria and decided to blast it is..... reaching.... Israel's immediate goals (avoid Syrian WMD's falling into the hands of people even more nutty than the regime) just happen to share a nice overlap with her median goals (prevent Iran from developing a nuclear capability).
    I was joking. This strike into Syria means absolutely nothing to Israel's "I'm serious" "message sending".

    Who could possibly think that, after decades of war with and strikes into several countries, Iran would suddenly be like "woah, NOW they're serious!"

    It's laughable to think of it as a consideration.

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. It's interesting to compare this discussion to the one in which liberals are claiming that they have more empathy than conservatives do.
    maybe you can expmlain tot he rest of us why our military should commit and die for a clearly religious state when US values a separation of church and state? Isreal is an established religious theocracy and even has made rules which makes jews the preferred class in the country. AT least when we went into iraq we tried to give them democracy and elections, but no one wants isreal to start making things equal for non-jews. Why should the defenders of america and it's freedoms from religious tyranny fight for a religious state?

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    According to government officials the target was a missiles convoy headed to the Hezbollah terrorist organization in Lebanon.
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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was joking. This strike into Syria means absolutely nothing to Israel's "I'm serious" "message sending".

    Who could possibly think that, after decades of war with and strikes into several countries, Iran would suddenly be like "woah, NOW they're serious!"
    Israel has a history of being restrained by the U.S., whose interests are not served by its insertion into ME affairs. Legitimately this could be used as an ambiguity-increasing measure as to whether or not A) the US would now respond to "red line crossings" by letting Israel off the chain, or B) Israel was no longer listening to the U.S.

    For Mullah's who may have thought that they could take comfort in a weak-willed U.S. presidency who was willing to shift to "containment" as a strategy.... yeah, I'd say they are probably taking note.

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    Re: Israel launches airstrike into Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    maybe you can expmlain tot he rest of us why our military should commit and die for a clearly religious state when US values a separation of church and state? Isreal is an established religious theocracy and even has made rules which makes jews the preferred class in the country. AT least when we went into iraq we tried to give them democracy and elections, but no one wants isreal to start making things equal for non-jews. Why should the defenders of america and it's freedoms from religious tyranny fight for a religious state?


    1. No one has suggested a land-invasion of Syria.

    2. Israel for ever and a day was (and to an extent remains) the only functioning democracy in the Middle East. Neither is the Jewish State a theocracy - there are Muslim Arab members of the Knesset, oh tererun who knows nothing
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