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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Note: I am NOT claiming the following examples are representative or the most common, BUT they are examples of people who would be classified as discouraged.
    High school student looks for a first summer job, can't find one after a couple of weeks, gives up because he doesn't think he'll find one.

    Housewife wants part time job, job but can't find one with suitable hours.

    Retiree wants post-retirement job, non-stop looking when all jobs want someone younger.

    Person fired who looks but gives up because they think they'll face discrimination.

    Person quits, looks for new job and gives up because they think they don't have the right skills.

    Etc, etc
    Even when talking about discouraged workers, the reason it's as high as it is, is because of George Bush. Aside from him passing on the worst recession to Obama since the Great Depression, Bush increased the number of monthly workers discouraged by 433,000. Obama increased it 101,000 beyond that. But without Bush increasing it by 433,000, it would be nowhere near as high as it is today.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Note: I am NOT claiming the following examples are representative or the most common, BUT they are examples of people who would be classified as discouraged.
    High school student looks for a first summer job, can't find one after a couple of weeks, gives up because he doesn't think he'll find one.

    Housewife wants part time job, job but can't find one with suitable hours.

    Retiree wants post-retirement job, stops looking when all jobs want someone younger.

    Person fired who looks but gives up because they think they'll face discrimination.

    Person quits, looks for new job and gives up because they think they don't have the right skills.

    Etc, etc

    Per my previous comments here is part of the definition of discouraged workers

    a discouraged worker is a person of legal employment age who is not actively seeking employment or who does not find employment after long-term unemployment.
    Do you understand what happens when an unemployed person runs out of unemployment insurance and then cannot find a job?

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Even when talking about discouraged workers, the reason it's as high as it is, is because of George Bush. Aside from him passing on the worst recession to Obama since the Great Depression, Bush increased the number of monthly workers discouraged by 433,000. Obama increased it 101,000 beyond that. But without Bush increasing it by 433,000, it would be nowhere near as high as it is today.
    Except that there's a time limit. Marginally Attached, including Discouraged, means looked for work in the 12 months, by not the last 4 weeks.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Here is an additional definition of discouraged workers and a little history. My point stands regarding Reagan and this confirms it. Discouraged workers weren't broken out of the unemployment numbers until 1994

    In the United States, a discouraged worker is defined as a person not in the labor force who wants and is available for a job and who has looked for work sometime in the past 12 months (or since the end of his or her last job if a job was held within the past 12 months), but who is not currently looking because of real or perceived poor employment prospects.[2][3][4]

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not count discouraged workers as unemployed but rather refers to them as only "marginally attached to the labor force".[5][6][7] This means that the officially measured unemployment captures so-called "frictional unemployment" and not much else.[8] This has led some economists to believe that the actual unemployment rate in the United States is higher than what is officially reported while others suggest that discouraged workers voluntarily choose not to work.[9] Nonetheless, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics has published the discouraged worker rate in alternative measures of labor underutilization under U-4 since 1994 when the most recent redesign of the CPS was implemented.[10][11]

    The United States Department of Labor first began tracking discouraged workers in 1967 and found 500,000 at the time

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Per my previous comments here is part of the definition of discouraged workers

    a discouraged worker is a person of legal employment age who is not actively seeking employment or who does not find employment after long-term unemployment.
    Do you understand what happens when an unemployed person runs out of unemployment insurance and then cannot find a job?
    That may be the definition according to wikipedia -- but that is not the definition according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics ...

    Discouraged workers

    Discouraged workers are a subset of persons marginally attached to the labor force. The marginally attached are those persons not in the labor force who want and are available for work, and who have looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months, but were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally attached, discouraged workers were not currently looking for work specifically because they believed no jobs were available for them or there were none for which they would qualify. See also: Not in the labor force and Alternative measures of labor underutilization.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Per my previous comments here is part of the definition of discouraged workers



    Do you understand what happens when an unemployed person runs out of unemployment insurance and then cannot find a job?
    I didn't say no discouraged had run out of benefits, I was refuting your claim that all of them had.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is an additional definition of discouraged workers and a little history. My point stands regarding Reagan and this confirms it. Discouraged workers weren't broken out of the unemployment numbers until 1994
    Could you highlight the part that says discouraged were classified as Unemployed? I don't see it. And you forgot to cite your source and give a link.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    [COLOR="#0000F
    F"]Obama has 101,000 more discouraged workers than when he started. Bush had 433,000 more than when he started. Yay, Bush!!

    Jan/2001: 301,000
    Jan/2009: 734,000
    Apr/2013: 835,000[/COLOR]

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
    Bush had 9,500,000 more jobs than Obama, and 7 trillion dollars of less debt.

    Bush had 20 million less people on food stamps, he didn't preside over increasing poverty rates that rival the Great Depression, he had half as many people on disabillity.

    Bush didn't lie about a terrorist attack that killed 4 Americans and call it a "protest" because it was politically expedient.

    Bush didn't use grieving mothers and 20 dead Children just to build a wedge issue for the midterm elections knowing his legislation was going to be stalled in the House.

    Bush didn't ship thousands of guns straight into the hands of the drug cartels so he use the risd in gun violence in Mexico to push gun legislation.

    Bush fought for reforms on Fannie and Freddie when they were buying up trash loans with a corrupt Democrat CEO and ripping the American tax payer off. Obama is trying to repeat that policy by shoving in another corrupt racist Democrat to losen their new stricter standards for buying loans.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Bush had 9,500,000 more jobs than Obama, and 7 trillion dollars of less debt.

    Bush had 20 million less people on food stamps, he didn't preside over increasing poverty rates that rival the Great Depression, he had half as many people on disabillity.

    Bush didn't lie about a terrorist attack that killed 4 Americans and call it a "protest" because it was politically expedient.

    Bush didn't use grieving mothers and 20 dead Children just to build a wedge issue for the midterm elections knowing his legislation was going to be stalled in the House.

    Bush didn't ship thousands of guns straight into the hands of the drug cartels so he use the risd in gun violence in Mexico to push gun legislation.

    Bush fought for reforms on Fannie and Freddie when they were buying up trash loans with a corrupt Democrat CEO and ripping the American tax payer off. Obama is trying to repeat that policy by shoving in another corrupt racist Democrat to losen their new stricter standards for buying loans.
    Obama didn't exaggerate the threat Iraq was and put use in a war which cost 4500+ of our troops lives and thousands of life altering injuries.

    Obama did oversee the greatest recession since the Great Depression.

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    Re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Obama didn't exaggerate the threat Iraq was and put use in a war which cost 4500+ of our troops lives and thousands of life altering injuries.

    Obama did oversee the greatest recession since the Great Depression.
    You can claim Bush exaggerated but that would be a lie especially with all the documentation to the contrary from Democrats long before Bush took office as well as French, German, and British intelligence

    Obama didn't inherit the worst recession since the Great Depression, Reagan did but Obama did oversee the worst recovery since the Great Depression and we are living that misery today.

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