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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Better take it up with BLS that confirms the data of over 9 million jobs lost. You just cannot get it through your head that Obama is a complete failure and incompetent.
    BLS confirms no such thing. Your claim is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Labor Force Statistics. The number of people Not in the Labor Force increased 9.4 million. That's not the same thing as leaving the labor force. The Labor Force increased 1 million (+1.4 million employed -0.4 million unemployed).

    What your sources are doing are saying that if there are 9.4 million more not in the labor force, then that must mean there are 9.4 fewer in the labor force. Which is ridiculous and completely ignores population growth.

    Oh, and the number of people not in the labor force who want a job went up 0.7 million and those who do not want a job went up 8.7 million
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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, the U-6 dropped 3.2% from the peak of the recession. That warrants a thank you, Mr. President.

    The argument I initially made was that our country is better now than we were before Obama. The .3% is simply the difference from before Obama until now. But as we both SHOULD know, the recession was in effect before Obama and hit its devastation peak in late 2009. The longer Obama has been in office, the further the number keeps dropping.
    That the U-6 went up is just as much his responsibility as when it went down. Being a leader means taking responsibility for all that happens under you during your term of leadership - not disavowing responsibility for things that put him/her is a lesser light.

    So, the U-6 dropped from the day he took office until today by a whopping 0.3% to 13.9%.

    Period.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...nfographic.png

    Unless you're going to tell me Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and defense spending was all spending designed to improve the economy, then most of the added debt did not go toward improving the economy. Throw in other money spent on retirements, benefits, food stamps, education, etc. and most of the added debt was due to "business as usual" policies and decreased revenues due to the recession.
    I did not say all the spending did or did not go towards unemployment reduction (obviously, it all did not).

    But since you cannot know what did or did not - then you cannot say what percentage of my statement was inaccurate.

    Besides, it goes to credibility - he rose the national debt by over 50% yet despite all that spending (much of it indirectly/directly to stimulate employment) - all he managed in 52 months was a 0.3 drop to 13.9.

    It's not a bad thing our country is willing to pay to make sure people don't starve. It's not a bad thing we've expanded the program to make sure more people don't starve. Would you rather our country tell people they have to starve just so we can keep our percentage down?

    We're better off now than we were before Obama took office. Almost all indicators of problems are going down, not up as they were before Obama took office (with the exception of GDP, which is now going up instead of down like it was before Obama).
    So, once again, you think it is not a bad thing that under Obama's leadership, the level of poverty has grown in America to such an extent that over 40% more Americans need government food handouts so they do not starve.

    Okaaaay.


    I am not going to get into some back-and-forth, pointless debate with you on this.

    You have stated your positions and I have stated my opinions of those statements.

    So, unless you have something new (specifically unbiased facts/stats) to bring to the discussion - I am going to move on.


    Have a nice day.
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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    BLS confirms no such thing. Your claim is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Labor Force Statistics. The number of people Not in the Labor Force increased 9.4 million. That's not the same thing as leaving the labor force. The Labor Force increased 1 million (+1.4 million employed -0.4 million unemployed).

    What your sources are doing are saying that if there are 9.4 million more not in the labor force, then that must mean there are 9.4 fewer in the labor force. Which is ridiculous and completely ignores population growth.

    Oh, and the number of people not in the labor force who want a job went up 0.7 million and those who do not want a job went up 8.7 million
    And those are good numbers for an Obama supporter? Getting the employment level back to what it was in January 2009 at a cost of 6 trillion to the debt is a liberal success story? I fully understand if the labor force drops all those people died or retired never being replaced. Guess that is liberal logic. I look at the number employed, the number discouraged, the number unemployed and I guess I just don't see the good news that Obamabots are claiming. Would you say that discouraged workers are people who want a job? Unemployed people are people wanting a job? How can you claim that the current labor force up 1 million since Obama took office indicates that only 700,000 want a job?

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Guess my dream that Obama wasn't in office in 2010-2011-2012 was a reality. Get someone to help you read the chart. I find it quite interesting that increasing employment back to January 2009 levels ignoring the pre recession numbers and at a cost of over 6 trillion to the debt along with massive numbers dependent on the Federal Taxpayer for welfare is called a success to a liberal. What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty?
    You want to blame Obama for the jobs situation, what is it that he did or didn't do that caused the job situation? BTW, you should get that saying of yours copyrighted.


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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    That warrants a thank you, Mr. President
    1/5 of jobs in april are TEMP, more and more must settle for PART TIME, the overwhelming majority of newly employed earn MINIMUM WAGE or just a little more...

    the slowest and weakest recovery in modern times---jobs, gdp, wages, consumerism...

    poverty at an all time hi, 50 million americans UNABLE TO FEED THEMSELVES...

    youth dropping out and giving up like nowhere this side of greece (nyt above)...

    even barack obama has higher standards

    LOL!

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That the U-6 went up is just as much his responsibility as when it went down.
    Why? Because he had been an office for 8 months? Surely you're not going to tell me you also believe the economy is a light switch. You have to look at trends, and the trend is that the longer Obama is in office, the better things are getting.

    So, the U-6 dropped from the day he took office until today by a whopping 0.3% to 13.9%.
    That's what I said. We went from 14.2% and rising (all the way up to 17.1%) to 13.9% and dropping. That's a positive trend.

    I did not say all the spending did or did not go towards unemployment reduction (obviously, it all did not).
    Your claim was:

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    But (as I pointed out before) Obama did drop the U-3 rate (from when he took office) from 7.8% to 7.5% today...but it took him 52 months and a 50+% rise in the national debt to do it.
    It seemed you definitely suggested all the added debt was due to money spent to better the economy/unemployment.

    But since you cannot know what did or did not - then you cannot say what percentage of my statement was inaccurate.
    I don't care what percentage is inaccurate, merely that your statement is inaccurate.

    Besides, it goes to credibility - he rose the national debt by over 50% yet despite all that spending (much of it indirectly/directly to stimulate employment)
    No, this is false. First of all, the increase in federal spending has been minimal. Most of the debt incurred is from the lost tax revenue. Second of all, most of that spending WASN'T towards stimulating the economy, it was towards the things we were already committed to spending.

    So, once again, you think it is not a bad thing that under Obama's leadership, the level of poverty has grown in America to such an extent that over 40% more Americans need government food handouts so they do not starve.
    And, once again, I don't think it's bad we're making sure people get food. This isn't really that difficult to understand.

    To address what I'm sure your larger point is, I do not like how the income inequality gap has increased over the last several decades, including under Obama. But from where I sit, I've seen many things Obama has proposed to combat this, so it's hard for me to blame him when Republicans actively work against him.

    I am not going to get into some back-and-forth, pointless debate with you on this.
    Too late.

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You want to blame Obama for the jobs situation, what is it that he did or didn't do that caused the job situation? BTW, you should get that saying of yours copyrighted.
    Wonder if I will get an answer if I to get it copyrighted? You cannot seem to answer it

    Who should we blame for the terrible economic performance in 2010? Didn't those shovel ready jobs get their shovels? When does the economy become Obama's responsibility and do you really believe getting employment back to where it was when he took office at a cost of 6 trillion dollars is a success?

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Why? Because he had been an office for 8 months? Surely you're not going to tell me you also believe the economy is a light switch. You have to look at trends, and the trend is that the longer Obama is in office, the better things are getting.

    That's what I said. We went from 14.2% and rising (all the way up to 17.1%) to 13.9% and dropping. That's a positive trend.

    Your claim was:


    It seemed you definitely suggested all the added debt was due to money spent to better the economy/unemployment.

    I don't care what percentage is inaccurate, merely that your statement is inaccurate.

    No, this is false. First of all, the increase in federal spending has been minimal. Most of the debt incurred is from the lost tax revenue. Second of all, most of that spending WASN'T towards stimulating the economy, it was towards the things we were already committed to spending.

    And, once again, I don't think it's bad we're making sure people get food. This isn't really that difficult to understand.

    To address what I'm sure your larger point is, I do not like how the income inequality gap has increased over the last several decades, including under Obama. But from where I sit, I've seen many things Obama has proposed to combat this, so it's hard for me to blame him when Republicans actively work against him.

    Too late.
    How about explaining to us a shovel ready job? Then since you want to give him credit for an economy coming out of recession in June 2009 due to his policies then you need to be more consistent. Apparently getting out of recession in 4 months is a positive light switch but the poor discouraged worker numbers over 1-3 years later is an economy that cannot turn on like a light switch?

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wonder if I will get an answer if I to get it copyrighted? You cannot seem to answer it

    Who should we blame for the terrible economic performance in 2010? Didn't those shovel ready jobs get their shovels? When does the economy become Obama's responsibility and do you really believe getting employment back to where it was when he took office at a cost of 6 trillion dollars is a success?
    You didn't answer my question. If we were a socialist country I probably would blame the president, but since we are a capitalist country I don't. BTW, only a small portion of the stimulus was devoted to shovel ready jobs and about 1/3 was devoted to tax relief.


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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How about explaining to us a shovel ready job? Then since you want to give him credit for an economy coming out of recession in June 2009 due to his policies then you need to be more consistent. Apparently getting out of recession in 4 months is a positive light switch but the poor discouraged worker numbers over 1-3 years later is an economy that cannot turn on like a light switch?
    Hmm, you don't understand the difference between GDP and employment? What is it about conservatism that creates such confusion? If you want "shovel ready" projects and lowered unemployment, then demand them from your Congress critters. Lowered demand with corporate profits way up isn't going to drive private industry to invest in markets that are not expanding.
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