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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    There.
    Prior to 1992 the U-3 number included the under employed and discouraged workers. Clinton and the Congress under Democrat control changed the calculation and moved the under employed/discouraged workers to the U-6 category. The U-3 is the official number so you could say there is manipulation going on and the fact is there is encouragement to get people to drop out of the labor force to make the numbers look better.

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    There.
    Try reading comprehension.

    I said the 'employment' numbers were skewed.

    NOT the 'unemployment' numbers (as you said).

    Big difference.

    The government is not skewing how many people are unemployed (to my knowledge).

    What they are skewing (imo) - though they will not tell us exactly how - is the way they calculate seasonally adjusted numbers for jobs created (among other things).

    Though, I admit that I cannot be sure they are skewing them for the positive.

    The huge jump in this months revisions for the previous months strongly suggests they did.


    If you are going to put words in my mouth - next time, make sure I actually said them please.
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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    No, not at all. That doesn't quite validate Fenton's claim though.
    Yes it does if you add the population growth into the labor force. Bush economic policies increased the labor force by 11 million in 8 years or over 1.3 million a year. That same number would be 7.8 million over the last 6 years so actually it would be very easy to come up with over 9 million jobs lost

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Try reading comprehension.

    I said the 'employment' numbers were skewed.

    NOT the 'unemployment' numbers (as you said).

    Big difference.

    The government is not skewing how many people are unemployed.

    What they are skewing - in my opinion, because they will not tell us exactly how - is the way they calculate seasonally adjusted numbers for jobs created (among other things).

    Though, I admit that I cannot be sure they are skewing them for the positive.

    The huge jump in this months revisions for the previous months strongly suggests they did.


    If you are going to put words in my mouth - next time, make sure I actually said them please.
    Well, it seems you're once again in sharp disagreement with DA60 from page 3:
    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is not a lie.

    But it IS a shell game, IMO.

    To not include workers who have left the workforce (disgruntled workers) for NO other reason then they cannot find work BUT would still take a job immediately if they could find it, as officially having left the work force is a joke.

    These people are clearly persons still looking for work and should thus still be considered unemployed.

    The government (IMO) deliberately does this to make the U-3 number appear to be smaller then it otherwise would be.

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Well, it seems you're once again in sharp disagreement with DA60 from page 3:
    Oh yes... I forgot about that.

    Seems I was right after all..and so were you about what I said (sort of)..my apologies.

    Thanks for showing me how I was right...that the government DOES skew the unemployment numbers to make the U-3 look better then it is.


    So, as I said earlier, the government IS skewing the unemployment numbers AND the GDP numbers AND the CPI numbers.

    Thanks again.

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes it does if you add the population growth into the labor force. Bush economic policies increased the labor force by 11 million in 8 years or over 1.3 million a year.

    That same number would be 7.8 million over the last 6 years so actually it would be very easy to come up with over 9 million jobs lost
    No, it plainly does not. We're also discussing raw positions added, not the cumulative labor force.

    We're also discussing a four year time table here, which makes your claims, while incorrect even in your format, a country mile off target. lrn2math.

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    No, it plainly does not. We're also discussing raw positions added, not the cumulative labor force.

    We're also discussing a four year time table here, which makes your claims, while incorrect even in your format, a country mile off target. lrn2math.
    Ok, number of positions added? There were 146 million people working in December 2007 and there are 143 million working today. Is that an increase or decrease? Shouldn't there be more people working today than in 2007?

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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Ok, number of positions added? There were 146 million people working in December 2007 and there are 143 million working today. Is that an increase or decrease? Shouldn't there be more people working today than in 2007?
    Four year time tables Rainman. Even when you use completely facetious and chronologically inaccurate figures that claim still downright stinks. Drop it and move along.
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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Ok, number of positions added? There were 146 million people working in December 2007 and there are 143 million working today. Is that an increase or decrease? Shouldn't there be more people working today than in 2007?
    It decreased 4 million before Bush left office.


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    re: U.S. unemployment falls to 7.5% in April [W: 348, 360]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Republicans will be terribly dismayed by this news.
    why would they? isn't it about time we saw an improvement after watching the debt increase even more than it did under the last President?

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