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Benghazi: State Department's ARB Panel Is Under Formal Investigation

Born Free said:
I see your in favor of coverups, incompetence, ignorance, and just plain don't give a **** about our embassy being destroyed and 4 of our people being slaughtered. That would be Obama.
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4 people slaughtered? Please save us the melodrama and step back to reality. These things happen, particularly in troubled spots of the world. We have had 7 attacks on our embassies resulting in deaths of diplomats. Can you name any of them?

Slaughter is what is happening daily with our drone strikes and immoral occupations of foreign countries. Slaughter what continues to happen in schools in Connecticut, theatres in Colorado and universities in Virginia, but we do nothing about it; it what is happening in the Sequester that has cut essential social programs such as cancer assistance funds and meals on wheels; it is what will happen if people think they can roll back the social safety net with budget cuts. These thinks have and will l lead to far more deaths than will ever happen from these embassy (in the case of Benghazi, consulate as it was not an embassy) incursions. Our crew in Benghazi new the risks and accepted them.

Sorry, but the unconscionable actions are those on the right that think they see blood in the water here and chose to make a mockery out of the noble actions of our diplomats and their paid body guards by sensationalizing the story. This is 95% political. Most of those that feign outrage are doing so only to make their political points. They don't really care any more about the 4 people that die in Benghazi than they do about the homeless man on the corner of Broadway and Main.

I know people think there is some type of substance; but there isn't. People keep looking for scandal in the Obama administration, but what they come up with is laughable.

If you want real scandal, go after the administration for wonton murder of our own citizens and innocent bystanders in foreign countries with these drone strikes.
 
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upsideguy said:
4 people slaughtered?
Please save us the melodrama
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and step back to reality. These things happen, particularly in troubled spots of the world. We have had 7 attacks on our embassies resulting in deaths of diplomats. Can you name any of them?

Slaughter is what is happened with our
drone strikes and immoral wars
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. Multiple times the
number of deaths will result from cutting the Sequester
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than will ever happen from these types of incidents. Our crew in Benghazi new the risks and accepted them.

Sorry, but the
unconscionable actions are those on the right
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that think they see blood in the water here and chose to
make a mockery out of the noble actions of our diplomats
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and their paid body guards by sensationalizing the story. This is 95% political. Most of those that feign outrage are doing so only to make their political points.

I know people think there is some type of substance; but there isn't. People keep looking for scandal in the Obama administration, but what they come up with is laughable.

If you want real scandal, go after the administration for
wonton murder
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of our own citizens and innocent bystanders in foreign countries
with these drone strikes
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I see what you did there ... clever ... you asked for no melodrama and then by way of example you loaded up your comment with melodramatic bon mots.
 
bubbabgone said:
I lean toward the "notion" that motivation #1 was to get Obama past the election so there was an eagerness to repeat the storyline that State & the WH created to minimize responsibility for what happened.
And now we still see residue of that eagerness in order to protect Obama & keep Hillary viable.
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That may be true. As Pero has repeatedly posted, Party has become more important than America's well being. That has got to stop, because we are all in this together, and we do not need to be divided! Not now, when the entire world has gotten more dangerous! :shock:
 
Out for lunch. Back soon.
 
MMC wrote
We also know that Obama was not talking about Libya or Benghazi until after his Debate with Romney and after the attack.
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MMC posted an untrue statement
Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya | The White House

Sept 13, 2012
Remarks by the President in Golden, CO | The White House
Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week -- we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya. Yesterday I had a chance to go over to the State Department to talk to friends and colleagues of those who were killed. And these were Americans who, like so many others, both in uniform and civilians, who serve in difficult and dangerous places all around the world to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans.

And a lot of times their work goes unheralded, doesn’t get a lot of attention, but it is vitally important. We enjoy our security and our liberty because of the sacrifices that they make. And they do an outstanding job every single day without a lot of fanfare. (Applause.)

So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. (Applause.) I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)
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Sept 14, 2012
Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event -- Las Vegas, NV | The White House
As for the ones we lost: I want to assure you, we will bring their killers to justice. (Applause.) And we want to send a message all around the world -- anybody who would do us harm: No act of terror will dim the light of the values that we proudly shine on the rest of the world, and no act of violence will shake the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)

We will not be deterred. We will keep going. We will keep going because the world needs us. We are the one indispensable power in the world. And if we are going to see peace and security for our children and our grandchildren, then that means that this generation of Americans has to lead. We’re going to have to keep doing the work -- no matter how hard it seems sometimes.
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These things happen
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absolutely

what difference does it make, it was a long time ago

Slaughter is what continues to happen in schools in Connecticut, theatres in Colorado and universities in Virginia, but we do nothing about it
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Daily Kos: Assault weapons ban fails 40-60

Our crew in Benghazi new (sic) the risks and accepted them
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Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List

This is 95% political
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speak for yourself

I know people think there is some type of substance; but there isn't
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tina brown (who just fired howie): U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates - The Daily Beast

cbs: Lt Col Woods says his 16 member team pulled a month before attack - CBS News

the hill: GOP: US Consulate received repeated threats, had requested more security - The Hill's Global Affairs

wapo: White House secret meetings examine al-Qaeda threat in North Africa - The Washington Post

the hill: Report: FBI still not on scene in Benghazi - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

wsj: Militant Link to Libya Attack - WSJ.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/w...-attack-scoffs-at-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

beast: U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary - The Daily Beast

wapo: Sensitive documents left behind at U.S. diplomatic post in Libya - The Washington Post

ex: Dems join chorus questioning Obama on attack | WashingtonExaminer

wapo: Panetta says undetermined terrorist group carried out attack on US Consulate in Libya - The Washington Post

abc: Some Administration Officials Were Concerned About Initial White House Push Blaming Benghazi Attack on Mob, Video - ABC News

wsj: Gross Security Failure - WSJ.com

abc: Security Concerns Keep FBI From Scene of Ambassador's Murder, Official Says - ABC News

wapo: From video to terrorist attack: a definitive timeline of administration statements on the Libya attack - The Washington Post

youtube: Tammy Duckworth: Marines Should Have Been in Benghazi - YouTube

beast: Obama's Shaky Libya Narrative - The Daily Beast

cns: Lieberman Calls for Independent Investigation into Libyan Attack | CNS News

cnn: Exclusive: Amb. Chris Stevens worried about al Qaeda hit list – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

huffpo: CNN's Use Of Christopher Stevens' Journal Is 'Disgusting': State Dept.

cbs: Why Did The White House Take So Long To Admit Libya Attack Was Terrorism? « CBS

weekly standard: Permanent Spin | The Weekly Standard

wsj: Miscues Before Libya Assault - WSJ

independent: US 'was warned of Libya embassy attack but did nothing' - Independent.ie

fox: Diplomatic, western posts targeted repeatedly in Benghazi in run-up to deadly assault | Fox News

buzzfeed: US Embassy In Cairo Deletes Controversial Tweets

sentinel: http://atlanticsentinel.com/2012/09/administration-insists-benghazi-attack-not-premeditated/

independent: Revealed: inside story of US envoy's assassination - World Politics - World - The Independent

atlantic wire: Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List

cns: Where Was Obama on Night of Benghazi Attack?

cbs, 60 minutes: Obama Says Attacks In Libya And Egypt Are Just "Bumps In The Road" - YouTube

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an awful lot of questions, very few answers, why does the white house hide?

where are the survivors, why do foggy bottom officials claim they've been threatened?

why did barack obama go to bed?

stay tuned

If you want real scandal, go after the administration for wonton murder of our own citizens and innocent bystanders in foreign countries with these drone strikes
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why don't YOU go after the administration for wanton murder of our own citizens and innocent bystanders in foreign countries...

heck, this admin is not even confined to foreign countries

Eric Holder: Drone Strike To Kill U.S. Citizen On American Soil Legal

as you know

you do realize---as cnn reported above---that it was in truth, in actuality, a DRONE (abu yahya al libi, pakistan, june, 2012) that motivated the attack on the consulate and NOT A VIDEO

seeya at the hearings, homeboy
 
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bubbabgone said:
I see.
Then if I had shown W. Bush sweeping Iraq under the carpet and said he was doing Weihnachten Cleanup that would have been racial-specific also.
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Was Bush German? Would the point of that been to point out his German-ness?
 
rocket88 said:
Was Bush German? Would the point of that been to point out his German-ness?
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No. To point out that that he was in trouble over Iraq. Like Obama is over Benghazi. Simple. See? You're the one who selectively sees race.
 
bubbabgone said:
No. To point out that that he was in trouble over Iraq. Like Obama is over Benghazi. Simple. See? You're the one who selectively sees race.
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Why the reference to Kwanzaa then?
 
democrat congressman stephen lynch of south, blue collar boston

Democratic congressman Stephen Lynch said this morning on TV that Susan Rice used "scrubbed" talking points on Benghazi to deliver "false information" to the American people:

"Absolutely, they were false, they were wrong," said Lynch, after being asked about Steve Hayes's report on "The Benghazi Talking Points."

"There were no protests outside the Benghazi compound there. This was a deliberate and strategic attack on the consulate there," said the Democratic congressman.

"It was false information. There's no excuse for that."
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Dem Rep. on Benghazi Talking Points: 'It Was Scrubbed ... It Was False Information. There's No Excuse For That.' | The Weekly Standard

and yes, congressman lynch is indeed a member in good standing on evil darrel issa's offensive oversight cmte and will speak

Committee On Oversight & Government Reform

it turns out evil issa has the emails---on saturday, 9-14, the day before un ambassador susan rice famously toured the 5 sunday talks to blame the video, the cia put together talking points with information intended for the american public

that advisory contained language ultimately scrubbed by state dept spokesperson victoria nuland, the chris carney, essentially, of foggy bottom

evil issa's emails show that ms nuland had "serious concerns about the draft," she was "worried that some members of congress would use the talking points to criticize the state dept for not paying attention to agency warnings"

her "superiors," she did not say which ones, "were unhappy"

the language which was removed (congressman lynch says "scrubbed") was "islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda," and "ansar al sharia" and "jihad"

the state dept also changed the word "attack" to "demonstration"

and the list of previous attacks and warnings contained in the original advisory was erased

The Benghazi Talking Points | The Weekly Standard

do you know how evil issa got the icky emails

read the link (bottom of page one)

even at that, the revisionists at foggy bottom weren't done

the final talking points approved by all the correspondents issa itemizes---seniors at state, nsc, odni (offfice director natl intel), cia and the white house---do NOT mention the video ms rice trumpeted all over town the next morning

these people are not only dangerously dishonest and reckless, they're embarrassingly incompetent and amateur

congressman lynch: the info put out by the white house "certainly wasn't accurate"

"i don't know what the process was"

issa does, he read the emails

stay tuned
 
polgara said:
Good morning, Somerville. :2wave:

Exactly! It appears there are plenty of explanations to be made here, from both sides of the aisle. Let's just hear the truth! If Ambassadors and Seals aren't safe, where does that leave the rest of us? :shock:
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Howdy Pol, although I believe there was a cover up to hide the lax security, having lax security at an Embassy or consulate is nothing new and has been going on through almost every administration I can remember. It boils down to State and DOD do not get along very good. Sate does not want a much of military hanging around an Embassy or consulate as they feel it that security does not allow them to do the business they are in, diplomacy, passports and visa. State is always afraid having more than the token Marine Security Guards will drive the people away from the Embassies and Consulates that they are trying to help.

Many, many times though various administrations State has turn away additional security as that has something to do with their mentality. State would rather take chances, sometimes outrages chances with their lives than accept additional security. State thinks that talk and diplomacy will win friends and convince people that the U.S. is the good guys. The military’s job is to kill people and break things. Two different philosophies which most of the time can not be overcome when it comes to the security of our Embassies and Consulates. Even if Ambassador Stevens asked for additional security, especially in the form of American military, State would have frown on this. If they were to provide additional security, state then would have asked the host country for it, choosing close to 100% of the time not to bring in the American Military.

This my dear friend is a fact.
 
bubbabgone said:
No. To point out that that he was in trouble over Iraq. Like Obama is over Benghazi. Simple. See? You're the one who selectively sees race.
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See, here's something criticizing Romney on gay marriage. It has nothing to do with his religion....

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rocket88 said:
Why the reference to Kwanzaa then?
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Why not?

"Kwanzaa Kleanup" offers some alliteration zip.

That and The Obamas are not unfamiliar with the holiday.

Michelle and I send our warmest wishes to all those celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season.

Today marks the beginning of the week-long celebration honoring African American heritage and culture through the seven principles of Kwanzaa -- unity, self determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith.

We celebrate Kwanzaa at a time when many African Americans and all Americans reflect on our many blessings and memories over the past year and our aspirations for the year to come.

And even as there is much to be thankful for, we know that there are still too many Americans going through enormous challenges and trying to make ends meet. But we also know that in the spirit of unity, or Umoja, we can overcome those challenges together.

As families across America and around the world light the red, black, and green candles of the Kinara this week, our family sends our well wishes and blessings for a happy and healthy new year. ####

So why do you object to Barack Obama identifying with his African American heritage?
 
Somerville said:
MMC wrote


MMC posted an untrue statement
Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya | The White House

Sept 13, 2012


Sept 14, 2012
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Not at ALL. Looks like what I said was an ABSOLUTELY True Statement.....note your Dates. Let me show ya once again.....

We also know that Obama was not talking about Libya or Benghazi until after his Debate with Romney and after the attack.....snip~

Nice Try.....though. Thanks for validating what I stated. Although after reading your links you should have noticed the dates you posted. Does the 12th, 13th, and all that come after Sept 11th? :lol:
 
bubbabgone said:
Why not?

"Kwanzaa Kleanup" offers some alliteration zip.

That and The Obamas are not unfamiliar with the holiday.

Michelle and I send our warmest wishes to all those celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season.

Today marks the beginning of the week-long celebration honoring African American heritage and culture through the seven principles of Kwanzaa -- unity, self determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith.

We celebrate Kwanzaa at a time when many African Americans and all Americans reflect on our many blessings and memories over the past year and our aspirations for the year to come.

And even as there is much to be thankful for, we know that there are still too many Americans going through enormous challenges and trying to make ends meet. But we also know that in the spirit of unity, or Umoja, we can overcome those challenges together.

As families across America and around the world light the red, black, and green candles of the Kinara this week, our family sends our well wishes and blessings for a happy and healthy new year. ####

So why do you object to Barack Obama identifying with his African American heritage?
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The creator of the meme was clearly using Obama's ethnicity against him. You can't see it because of partisan blinders.
 
rocket88 said:
The creator of the meme was clearly using Obama's ethnicity against him. You can't see it because of partisan blinders.
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I know for a fact that the creator was not doing that.

Looks like you are offended by Obama's ethnicity? Or that he wished a Happy Kwanzaa? And you think that can be used against him?

Now if you take your own partisan blinders off (let's call them Benghazi Blinders) you'd see that the Benghazi coverup was the point.
 
bubbabgone said:
I know for a fact that the creator was not doing that.

Looks like you are offended by Obama's ethnicity? Or that he wished a Happy Kwanzaa? And you think that can be used against him?

Now if you take your own partisan blinders off (let's call them Benghazi Blinders) you'd see that the Benghazi coverup was the point.
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Oh that was the point. But the picture bascially said "Look how that n*gger screwed up!"
 
rocket88 said:
Oh that was the point.
But the picture bascially said "Look how that n*gger screwed up
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Except for own n*gger editorial element, that's right.
You should speak to someone about that race preoccupation of yours.
 
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Except for own n*gger editorial element, that's right.
You should speak to someone about that race preoccupation of yours.
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Or maybe the maker of the picture should. But that's impossible, he said what you wanted to hear!

Look, the only real reason you've given for this guy putting in Kwanzaa was the "alliterative zip." There's some real substance for you.
 
rocket88 said:
Or maybe the maker of the picture should. But that's impossible, he said what you wanted to hear!

Look, the only real reason you've given for this guy putting in Kwanzaa was the "alliterative zip." There's some real substance for you.
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Got your attention, didn't it? ... you must've had more than a dozen comments about it.

Either you hopelessly, & quite disturbingly, have a crush on Obama or you're hopelessly & disturbingly unfamiliar with how political cartoons work. Both are entirely possible.
 
upsideguy said:
4 people slaughtered? Please save us the melodrama and step back to reality. These things happen, particularly in troubled spots of the world. We have had 7 attacks on our embassies resulting in deaths of diplomats.
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Sure things happen, but in the Benghaze case there was a cover up of incompetence.

Sorry, but the unconscionable actions are those on the right that think they see blood in the water here and chose to make a mockery out of the noble actions of our diplomats and their paid body guards by sensationalizing the story. This is 95% political. Most of those that feign outrage are doing so only to make their political points.
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No the unconscionable actions are those of the Obama administration lying to the American people and a coverup. The blood we see is Obama's as he is at the heart of the scandal.

They don't really care any more about the 4 people that die in Benghazi than they do about the homeless man on the corner of Broadway and Main.
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Now you want to direct our attention away from the Obama's Bengahaze coverup and talk about the homeless. The homeless is another topic for another day and thread.

If you want real scandal, go after the administration for wonton murder of our own citizens and innocent bystanders in foreign countries with these drone strikes.
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I agree with you on this one, everyone on the left bitches about Bush weatherboarding three terrorist. But Obama with his indiscriminate killing with drones is looked over by the left. Obama does not take prisoners, he just kills them along with innocent people, which is looked upon by the left as more humane than sending them to Club Getmo.

Slaughter is what is happening daily with our drone strikes and immoral occupations of foreign countries.
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You can thank Obama for that.

Slaughter what continues to happen in schools in Connecticut, theatres in Colorado and universities in Virginia, but we do nothing about it
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Yeah, lets jump off and do something about it. Lets see, all these shootings you mentioned were done by crazy people, not one was a felon. So to do something about it is to lock up every crazy we have in this country. And of course that would take everyone pointing at a person and say he /she is crazy and lock them up. Is that what we should do?

what is happening in the Sequester that has cut essential social programs such as cancer assistance funds and meals on wheels
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Of course the Sequester, is the problem, no, borrowing money we don't have is the problem. With all your complaints that you want to come up with Obama as borrowed close to 7 trillion from the day he took office and will continue to borrow a trillion a yr until he is kicked out of office. But to you liberals borrowing trillions is all OK as long as you don't have to pay for it.

it is what will happen if people think they can roll back the social safety net with budget cuts. These thinks have and will l lead to far more deaths than will ever happen from these embassy (in the case of Benghazi, consulate as it was not an embassy) incursions. Our crew in Benghazi new the risks and accepted them.
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They knew the risk and accepted them, where in the hell did you ever get that idea. They sent in repeated requests for more security and was denied. I'm sure if you were in the battle field and called in air strikes to assist your mission, and they told you "no" we really don't care about a few dozen solders needing help. You knew the risk when you signed up, their would be a day we would tell you to go to hell and if you die so be it.

As for a scandal in Benghazi you want to brush it aside as though nothing happened. Sorry but a lot happened, lying to the American people, coverup, incompetence, ignorance, threatening witnesses, the list goes on and on and you want to give all that a pass and say we should focus on something else instead.
 
MMC said:
Not at ALL. Looks like what I said was an ABSOLUTELY True Statement.....note your Dates. Let me show ya once again.....

We also know that Obama was not talking about Libya or Benghazi until after his Debate with Romney and after the attack.....snip~

Nice Try.....though. Thanks for validating what I stated. Although after reading your links you should have noticed the dates you posted. Does the 12th, 13th, and all that come after Sept 11th? :lol:
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Why would the President talk about Benghazi before the attack on the consulate?

You are correct as Romney didn't mention the Benghazi attack during the first debate as it took place prior to the attack. It was during the second debate that the attack was thrown into the conversation.

So you made a true statement in a manner deliberately intended to mislead most readers, a statement that most would assume meant the period following the attack.

The President had much to say about Libya in 2011 during the revolution that overthrew Qaddafi -so does that count?
 
Somerville said:
Why would the President talk about Benghazi before the attack on the consulate?

You are correct as Romney didn't mention the Benghazi attack during the first debate as it took place prior to the attack. It was during the second debate that the attack was thrown into the conversation.

So you made a true statement in a manner deliberately intended to mislead most readers, a statement that most would assume meant the period following the attack.

The President had much to say about Libya in 2011 during the revolution that overthrew Qaddafi -so does that count?
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you are not playing fair
letting little things like facts get in the way of their invalidated propaganda
 
Somerville said:
Why would the President talk about Benghazi before the attack on the consulate?

You are correct as Romney didn't mention the Benghazi attack during the first debate as it took place prior to the attack. It was during the second debate that the attack was thrown into the conversation.

So you made a true statement in a manner deliberately intended to mislead most readers, a statement that most would assume meant the period following the attack.

The President had much to say about Libya in 2011 during the revolution that overthrew Qaddafi -so does that count?
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Wrong again.....I stated that Obama didn't bring it up Until after the attack and after the Debate with Romney. Which there is no getting round that FACT. So also you were wrong when you state I made a true statement deliberately intend4d to mislead others.

There is no misleading others when I say that Obama didn't bring it up until after 911.

Also you asked why.....would Obama need to talk about it or have Libya and Benghazi on his mind. Here let me refresh your memory.

On September 10 -- at least 18 hours before the attack -- al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, in a video timed for the anniversary of 9/11, called for attacks on Americans in Libya to avenge the death of al-Libi.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-knew-benghazi-terrorist-attack-get-go-3.html

Did Ayman al-Zawahiri the head of AQ......release a Video in 2011 telling those in Libya to avenge the Death of al-Libi?
 
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