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Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

American health care is run by capitalists for the benefit of capitalists. While some parts of it are supported by the public, ours is a free-market system in all important respects.

No it is isn't. If you want to see what a free market healthcare system is, just look at Singapore. What we have is far, far from that model.
 
Train
wreck?

I've been to train wrecks (literally, I've worked for railroads.) Want to know something about train wrecks? They get fixed. All the broken equipment and all the torn-up track gets fixed and put back together. Want to know something else? They happen because something was wrong in the first place. Want to know what it is? Free-market, profit-driven health care. It doesn't work. It serves too few, costs them too much and delivers poor outcomes. We're better-off without it but until that day comes, we can deal with a few train wrecks.

Free-market health care. That's no way to run a railroad.


Bwahahahaha !!!!

Wow, tell you what, when Obama-Care crushes the middle class completely, and your politicians pay for their stupidity in 2014, then maybe the rest of the Country will finnally realize how useless the Democrats are and realize the destruction theyv'e caused.

LOL !! More funding....wer'e broke....for a Health Care law thats going to bankrupt us completely.
 
He didn't get the law the way he wanted. Couldn't even get enough Democrats to vote for what he wanted.

That's just not true and a rewrite of history.
 
If there are kinks, we can work them out.
What we know for a fact is the healthcare system we had wasn't going to work and was going to drive America into the ground. What we have now isn't perfect, but it's far better than where we were.

All of these complaints about the current system seems silly. Progress is better than stagnation. ACA is progress. Free market healthcare is a guaranteed trainwreck.

How long have we had free market healthcare ?

Obama-Care in less than 5 Years has nearly tanked our economy, and the AUTHOR OF THE BILL now admits its going to be a trainwreck.

What else are you guys going to screw up next ?
 
If there are kinks, we can work them out. What we know for a fact is the healthcare system we had wasn't going to work and was going to drive America into the ground. What we have now isn't perfect, but it's far better than where we were.

All of these complaints about the current system seems silly. Progress is better than stagnation. ACA is progress. Free market healthcare is a guaranteed trainwreck.

That is also not true. The majority of the people were served just fine before this Obamacare nonsense. And it's NOT progress. It may (and that's a longshot) end up serving more people, but they won't be able to afford to use it. It's a sad farked up situation and Obama and Reid have their names all over the debacle.
 
That is also not true. The majority of the
people were served just fine before this Obamacare nonsense. And it's NOT progress. It may (and that's a longshot) end up serving more people, but they won't be able to afford to use it. It's a sad farked up situation and Obama and Reid have their names all over the debacle.

its one of many Democrat debacles, but yea it's a big one
 
If there are kinks, we can work them out. What we know for a fact is the healthcare system we had wasn't going to work and was going to drive America into the ground. What we have now isn't perfect, but it's far better than where we were.

All of these complaints about the current system seems silly. Progress is better than stagnation. ACA is progress. Free market healthcare is a guaranteed trainwreck.[/
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To say there are kinks in this law is like saying the Pacific Ocean is moist.
 
That's funny... after reading your claim it took me all of 10 seconds to google up this story:

Norfolk Southern railroad 1Q profit up 10 percent

The Norfolk, Va.,-based railroad said it generated $450 million net income, or $1.41 per share, on $2.74 billion revenue. That's up from $410 million, or $1.23 per share, a year ago.

The railroad beat Wall Street expectations, even without a one-time profit of $60 million on a sale of land in Michigan that added 19 cents per share to Norfolk Southern's earnings.

Analysts surveyed by FactSet expected earnings of $1.17 per share on $2.78 billion in revenue.

The railroad's revenue was relatively flat compared to last year's $2.79 billion, but that could be considered a victory given the 17 percent decline in coal revenue.​

I stand corrected. :)
 
Ok, what is the point? I understood your point was that railroad companies did just fine repairing their 'train wrecks' but they are private 'Free-market, profit-driven' entities. You compared their repair abilities to public efforts (PPACA). Is your point that the public sector is just as effective at 'repair' as the private sector? Thinkin' Amtrak within the construct of your analogy...what did I miss specifically?

The point was the repair not every minute detail of the repair. Train wrecks are not the end of the line. They are fixed -- by the way, on privately owned and publicly owned railroads.
 
Completely devoid of knowledge regarding topic. Free market health care is THE BEST way to deliver health care. The challenge is and will forever be having a for profit third party (insurance companies) involved in what should and WOULD be, in a free market, a doctor-patient transaction.

That's absurd. No other first tier national health care delivery system relies exclusively on free-market health care and most of them deliver far better outcomes than the US system.
 
That's absurd. No other first tier national health care delivery system relies exclusively on free-market health care and most of them deliver far better outcomes than the US system.

But none of them delivers to the sheer volume of people that we do.
 
I have said it many times before and I will say it again, ACA will end up costing a lot more then projected and will add to our national debt contrary to what has been promised. This is just the first sign of that.
 
That's absurd. No other first tier national health care delivery system relies exclusively on free-market health care and most of them deliver far better outcomes than the US system.

Er, uh...we don't rely 'exclusively on free market health care'...Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare are run by the government. Try again.
 
The point was the repair not every minute detail of the repair. Train wrecks are not the end of the line. They are fixed -- by the way, on privately owned and publicly owned railroads.

When you say 'publicly owned railroads' are you referring to those whose stocks are publically traded or owned by the Government? If the latter can you provide examples?

ps. the government doesn't own the tracks that Amtrak runs on...
 
Zimmer Title Correction in red
Reid: More Funding Needed To Make ObamaCare an even BIGGER 'Train Wreck'

I wonder when Reid will say this "ObamaKare is failure/abortion/train wreck/lost"... just as he surrendered for America to the terrorists in the Iraq War?

C'mon Harry... wave the white flag... you know it's true... ObamaKare is a big black money sucking hole... a failure by design like most everything you Socialists create.

 
That's absurd. No other first tier national health care delivery system relies exclusively on free-market health care and most of them deliver far better outcomes than the US system.

No... your statement is absurd.

Just go north of the border to a place where they speak the same language and the French speak some type of Pidgin. Where you must go to a government warehouse. Where people wait dying, where the Quebec Supreme Court said a waiting list is not healthcare... where Canadians in major cities are sent to American towns because they cannot get the care needed in Canada.

Go to Europe where the systems squeeze the MD's... and the systems are failing... Take a look at the British system... you can google the horrors of the NHS. If you speak French or German... google the problems they have.

If the government got out of the way... costs would drop/stabilize and service would be even better... just as with any service in a free market.

Since when has government done anything successful?
 
Er, uh...we don't rely 'exclusively on free market health care'...Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare are run by the government. Try again.

Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.
 
When you say 'publicly owned railroads' are you referring to those whose stocks are publically traded or owned by the Government? If the latter can you provide examples?

ps. the government doesn't own the tracks that Amtrak runs on...

First of all, the US government owns and operates the Alaska Railroad...but that's not what I meant. In other countries, governments own railroads. They have train wrecks and the train wrecks get fixed. The railroads continue to operate.
 
This is priceless. It's the Republican's fault? He got the law the way he wanted it. He gloated when SCOTUS upheld the "tax". Reid has got to go.

:mrgreen: The best thing about this for me is that this was predicted months ago.


To the angry insistence of lefties that it wouldn't be a disaster :lol: :D
 
No... your statement is absurd.

Just go north of the border to a place where they speak the same language and the French speak some type of Pidgin. Where you must go to a government warehouse. Where people wait dying, where the Quebec Supreme Court said a waiting list is not healthcare... where Canadians in major cities are sent to American towns because they cannot get the care needed in Canada.

Go to Europe where the systems squeeze the MD's... and the systems are failing... Take a look at the British system... you can google the horrors of the NHS. If you speak French or German... google the problems they have.

If the government got out of the way... costs would drop/stabilize and service would be even better... just as with any service in a free market.

Since when has government done anything successful?

Statistics prove you wrong. US health care almost always produces worse outcomes that most other industrialized countries. As I recall, just about the only thing the US does better than anyone else is treat some cancer.
 
How long have we had free market healthcare ?

Obama-Care in less than 5 Years has nearly tanked our economy, and the AUTHOR OF THE BILL now admits its going to be a trainwreck.

What else are you guys going to screw up next ?

Baucus is retiring in the nick of time.
 
Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.

Numerous studies demonstrate that it those on Medicaid either have equal or poorer health than those without insurance at all.

Statistics prove you wrong. US health care almost always produces worse outcomes that most other industrialized countries. As I recall, just about the only thing the US does better than anyone else is treat some cancer.

Sort of. The only thing the US system does better than anyone else is provide healthcare, which translates into higher survival rates for diseases like cancer.
 
Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.

Hope that you don't what?

So you concede you were wrong in your previous assertion 'exclusively on free marked health care'?
 
First of all, the US government owns and operates the Alaska Railroad...but that's not what I meant.

Yes, you are quite right, owns...but incorrect about operates:

The ARRC is unlike any other State of Alaska agency. It is owned by the state, but is incorporated and run like a private business. The ARRC receives no operating funds from the state, nor are its employees state employees. Rather, the corporation and ARRC employees generate revenue through freight, passenger and real estate services to cover personnel, operations and maintenance expenses.
About the Alaska Railroad Corporation

Wanna try again on what you meant?

In other countries, governments own railroads. They have train wrecks and the train wrecks get fixed. The railroads continue to operate.

But Reid (subject of the OP) doesn't legislate in 'other countries'. Again, train wrecks get fixed by the private sector not by government.
 
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