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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    That's absurd. No other first tier national health care delivery system relies exclusively on free-market health care and most of them deliver far better outcomes than the US system.
    No... your statement is absurd.

    Just go north of the border to a place where they speak the same language and the French speak some type of Pidgin. Where you must go to a government warehouse. Where people wait dying, where the Quebec Supreme Court said a waiting list is not healthcare... where Canadians in major cities are sent to American towns because they cannot get the care needed in Canada.

    Go to Europe where the systems squeeze the MD's... and the systems are failing... Take a look at the British system... you can google the horrors of the NHS. If you speak French or German... google the problems they have.

    If the government got out of the way... costs would drop/stabilize and service would be even better... just as with any service in a free market.

    Since when has government done anything successful?
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Er, uh...we don't rely 'exclusively on free market health care'...Medicaid, Medicare and Tricare are run by the government. Try again.
    Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    When you say 'publicly owned railroads' are you referring to those whose stocks are publically traded or owned by the Government? If the latter can you provide examples?

    ps. the government doesn't own the tracks that Amtrak runs on...
    First of all, the US government owns and operates the Alaska Railroad...but that's not what I meant. In other countries, governments own railroads. They have train wrecks and the train wrecks get fixed. The railroads continue to operate.
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    This is priceless. It's the Republican's fault? He got the law the way he wanted it. He gloated when SCOTUS upheld the "tax". Reid has got to go.
    The best thing about this for me is that this was predicted months ago.


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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No... your statement is absurd.

    Just go north of the border to a place where they speak the same language and the French speak some type of Pidgin. Where you must go to a government warehouse. Where people wait dying, where the Quebec Supreme Court said a waiting list is not healthcare... where Canadians in major cities are sent to American towns because they cannot get the care needed in Canada.

    Go to Europe where the systems squeeze the MD's... and the systems are failing... Take a look at the British system... you can google the horrors of the NHS. If you speak French or German... google the problems they have.

    If the government got out of the way... costs would drop/stabilize and service would be even better... just as with any service in a free market.

    Since when has government done anything successful?
    Statistics prove you wrong. US health care almost always produces worse outcomes that most other industrialized countries. As I recall, just about the only thing the US does better than anyone else is treat some cancer.
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How long have we had free market healthcare ?

    Obama-Care in less than 5 Years has nearly tanked our economy, and the AUTHOR OF THE BILL now admits its going to be a trainwreck.

    What else are you guys going to screw up next ?
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Baucus is retiring in the nick of time.
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.
    Numerous studies demonstrate that it those on Medicaid either have equal or poorer health than those without insurance at all.

    Statistics prove you wrong. US health care almost always produces worse outcomes that most other industrialized countries. As I recall, just about the only thing the US does better than anyone else is treat some cancer.
    Sort of. The only thing the US system does better than anyone else is provide healthcare, which translates into higher survival rates for diseases like cancer.

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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Better hope that I don't. Without these public programs, American health care would be a total, utter and irredeemable disaster.
    Hope that you don't what?

    So you concede you were wrong in your previous assertion 'exclusively on free marked health care'?
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    Re: Reid: More Funding Needed To Prevent ObamaCare From Becoming 'Train Wreck'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    First of all, the US government owns and operates the Alaska Railroad...but that's not what I meant.
    Yes, you are quite right, owns...but incorrect about operates:

    The ARRC is unlike any other State of Alaska agency. It is owned by the state, but is incorporated and run like a private business. The ARRC receives no operating funds from the state, nor are its employees state employees. Rather, the corporation and ARRC employees generate revenue through freight, passenger and real estate services to cover personnel, operations and maintenance expenses.
    About the Alaska Railroad Corporation

    Wanna try again on what you meant?

    In other countries, governments own railroads. They have train wrecks and the train wrecks get fixed. The railroads continue to operate.
    But Reid (subject of the OP) doesn't legislate in 'other countries'. Again, train wrecks get fixed by the private sector not by government.
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