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Spring Slowdown Paints Ugly Picture For Jobs: ADP

I did general contracting for the last three years and you could see it picking up in that time. It was a lot of small repairs that people had obviously put off for a while and then the smaller repairs gave way to bigger repairs that gave way to additions and renovations. Now I work at a large plumbing supply store and it's picking up there quite a bit. I didn't replace anyone they just brought me on because of the uptick in biz.

I am seeing exactly the same thing. New Construction gave way for repairs and upgrades. Starting to see new construction with the repairs still going up. It is a good sign.
 
Spring time, when things are blooming, is when the environment is suppose to be ripe for shovel-ready jobs. :lol:
 
Obamacare hasn't kicked in yet and some states aren't even going to participate. So if healthcare is having an impact then it's probably because so many people still don't have health insurance and healthcare costs are still skyrocketing.

They are skyrocketing in anticipation of Obamacare.
 
Spring time, when things are blooming, is when the environment is suppose to be ripe for shovel-ready jobs. :lol:
Haha - I'd imagine there are a few of those "shovel-ready jobs" being offered at the Churchill Downs stables this weekend.
 
They are skyrocketing in anticipation of Obamacare.
Healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before Obamacare, as well.
 
Healthcare costs were skyrocketing long before Obamacare, as well.

Yes they were and they are going to continue skyrocketing. That's why businesses do what they do in anticipation of Obamacare. Glad to see you understand it clearly.
 
Are you suggesting that the conservative brain child, "No Child Left Behind" isn't working?" What a shock. Intelligent Design, hows that working out for ya? GOP congress wants to cherry pick only the science they agree with so don't be surprised when businesses want to relocate or bring in more intelligent immigrants to take your jobs. Not at all surprised concerning the job numbers, especially in conservative states.

Let me get this straight... 1) since the GOP is, apparently, legislating what science is taught in schools, that 2) businesses who don't agree are going to 'relocate' and 3) immigrants are going to take *my* jobs? And, somehow, this is going to 4) put downward pressure on jobs in conservative states?

And don't try to spin 'No Child Left Behind' as conservative, it had OVERWHELMING bipartisan support. Heck, the democrats had more yes votes than the republicans in both the house and senate!
 
More than enough proof of the Republicans obstructionism. If they'd honor their moral obligation to work with the President and the Democrats, America would be well on the way to recovery. Instead, everything they do is designed to serve the ideological extremism and their rich masters.

ROTFLOL... Obama had his day with complete control of government, and he didn't have a budget and spent 6Trillion.

WTF happened to the money and Obama's oft repeated "laser-like focus on the economy"? Where are all those shovel ready yobs? What happened to all this fantastic "investment"?

The government's job isn't to steal wealth and distribute it to their pet projects... if they want to do that, then open a business... their job is to create a fertile environment to attract investment (low taxes, sane regulations and regulatory practices).

Obama was busy backdooring ObamaKare, now he's on a gun hunt... and... when 0bama's prescriptions are doomed to failure... you don't just jump in the bus and ride off the cliff. Democrats can do that... the patriotic opposition doesn't have to.

For example... Democrats OWN ObamaKare. When it tanks... all fingers point to the Sozialists of Amerika Partei (SAPs)/Democrats. Of course... they will Kermit Gosnell that bit of info to the very best of their ability. To the journ-O-lists... the Goebbels Press Corps(e) ObamaKare will be like the ashes of an abortion floating through the desert winds.
 
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If thats all you have to say then my point is more than validated.

You had no point, so yes it was validated. You typed one sentence of snobbery and got a more than valid reply.
 
You had no point, so yes it was validated. You typed one sentence of snobbery and got a more than valid reply.
If you don't like my posts, then ignore them...or you will indeed keep proving my point.
 
obama's original rationale for reforming health care, the centerpiece of his first campaign, was not to expand coverage but to "bend the cost trajectory"

he would lower premiums, he promised daily, $2500 per family

Health Bill May Not Curb Health Care Costs - CBS News

Transcript - Barack Obama's Acceptance Speech - Election Guide 2008 - The New York Times

well, he bent the curve alright, just the wrong way

ask uber lib senator ben cardin from dark blue maryland

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/u...f-concerns-about-health-care-law-rollout.html

why would all those senators say such nasty things?

why couldn't obama get the shop program up and running like he pledged, that was the biggie, bona fide deal breaker

Feds delay small-business health care program/usatoday

ask max baucus, the bill's author

ask harry reid, ask jay rockefeller, chair of the subcommittee

last month, 79 senators, 34 of them dem, voted to expunge one of the president's prime payfor's

Senate votes to kill Obamacare-related tax - Washington Times

how can you enact comprehensive reform when half the law you just passed is completely ignored?

it is what it is

a train wreck

choo choo!
 
If you don't like my posts, then ignore them...or you will indeed keep proving my point.

Actually, you are just proving mine. You make a one line post insulting those who hold different beliefs, get a reply that you don't like, insult people of differing beliefs more, and then declare victory. Very liberal of you.
 
Let me get this straight... 1) since the GOP is, apparently, legislating what science is taught in schools, that 2) businesses who don't agree are going to 'relocate' and 3) immigrants are going to take *my* jobs? And, somehow, this is going to 4) put downward pressure on jobs in conservative states?

1) The conservatives in congress have been politicizing science and are trying to defund any science that they don't agree with ....or science that doesn't agree with them.

How Much Say Should Congress Have in Science Funding?

In some conservative states, their legislatures have tried to legislate what science should be taught in public schools.

http://www.aibs.org/public-policy/evolution_state_news.html

The year's antievolution legislation so far | NCSE

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/science/earth/04climate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


2) Businesses who need an educated workforce are not going to locate in a city or state with an uneducated workforce.

US Unemployment: Uneducated Workforce Adds to Problems AAPL, GOOG, CSCO, HPQ, INTC -

3) Conservatives are worried that immigrants are competing for and taking away American jobs.

Sessions Says Immigration Bill Is a Threat to U.S. Workers - NYTimes.com


And don't try to spin 'No Child Left Behind' as conservative, it had OVERWHELMING bipartisan support. Heck, the democrats had more yes votes than the republicans in both the house and senate!

Biparitsan support in congress perhaps, but the real divide is between teachers and those who have demonized teachers. Guess who would that would be?
 
Actually, you are just proving mine. You make a one line post insulting those who hold different beliefs, get a reply that you don't like, insult people of differing beliefs more, and then declare victory. Very liberal of you.
Really, and what have you added to the discussion? Absolutely nothing...instead all you've managed to do is make fallacious personal attacks. Since I'm not going to take your troll bait, thats all I have to say. But hey, don't let that stop you from showing everyone what you're really full of. Ta ta.
 
They aren't moving to Texas to get educated...quite the opposite. The first link is about teacher who was educated in So. California and got a job teaching at a University in Houston. That would suggest that they didn't have any qualifed teachers from Texas.

"Not that she considers herself a Texan.

"I'm always going to be a Californian," she said. "But I'm happy for now."


The more Liberals that move to Texas, the better Texas will be...especially if they're teachers. lol


California has a lot more people than Texas does and can certainly spare a few to other states. So I actually see that as a good thing. Btw, Gov. Ann Richards was one of my favorite politicians.
 
1) The conservatives in congress have been politicizing science and are trying to defund any science that they don't agree with ....or science that doesn't agree with them.

How Much Say Should Congress Have in Science Funding?
Your linked article doesn't support what you are saying.

Again, your links do not support you conclusion. Further more, these are completely biased opinions that completely shows through when you read exactly what 'anti-evolution' ideas are being consistently shot down. Fore example, this is labeled as anti-evolution:

A bill that would have allowed religious courses that teach evolution to be eligible for credit died with the end of the legislative session. HB 133 was passed by the House Education Policy Committee in February 2012, but never came to the House floor for a vote. The bill is sponsored by Rep. Blaine Galliher (R-District 30). The bill would "authorize local boards of education to include released time religious instruction as an elective course for high school students."
Hardly something to fuss about, and it would have done nothing to 'defund' the normal science classes.


2) Businesses who need an educated workforce are not going to locate in a city or state with an uneducated workforce.

US Unemployment: Uneducated Workforce Adds to Problems AAPL, GOOG, CSCO, HPQ, INTC -
Again, your link does not support your conclusion. The areas of education that are important in most jobs are english, math, business, communication... none of which are 'attacked' or defunded by any of the above.

3) Conservatives are worried that immigrants are competing for and taking away American jobs.

Sessions Says Immigration Bill Is a Threat to U.S. Workers - NYTimes.com
It's obvious that immigrants are competing for jobs, but that (once again) doesn't support your conclusion that this will somehow take jobs away from those states. A job filled by an immigrant is a job filled. It's also obvious that if the supply of workers increases and the number of jobs stays the same, then more people will be unemployed in that state. This is basic logic that Sessions is pointing out.




Biparitsan support in congress perhaps, but the real divide is between teachers and those who have demonized teachers. Guess who would that would be?
No, not 'perhaps'. Absolutely, over the top bipartisan support.
 
Your linked article doesn't support what you are saying.
Really, how so?

Again, your links do not support you conclusion. Further more, these are completely biased opinions that completely shows through when you read exactly what 'anti-evolution' ideas are being consistently shot down. Fore example, this is labeled as anti-evolution:
Hardly something to fuss about, and it would have done nothing to 'defund' the normal science classes.
My point was and still is that conservatives are trying to dumb down America and your obtuse replies are only helping to validate my argument.


Again, your link does not support your conclusion.[/B] The areas of education that are important in most jobs are english, math, business, communication... none of which are 'attacked' or defunded by any of the above.
Lowering standards so students could pass the NCLB profiency tests meant that colleges had to lower their standards and teach students basic english, math and reading skills just so they could move on to college level. If students don't know how to think critically then they aren't going to be proficient in business or communication either. So yes, my links do support my conclusion.


It's obvious that immigrants are competing for jobs, but that (once again) doesn't support your conclusion that this will somehow take jobs away from those states. A job filled by an immigrant is a job filled. It's also obvious that if the supply of workers increases and the number of jobs stays the same, then more people will be unemployed in that state. This is basic logic that Sessions is pointing out.
There are hundreds if not thousands of jobs out there, but not enough skilled qualified people to fill them. Just as there millions of unskilled people and very few jobs for them to fill. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Oh, nevermind, I can see why just from your replies.

No, not 'perhaps'. Absolutely, over the top bipartisan support.
Perhaps that was then, but this is now and the proof is in the pudding, conservatives have demonized teachers, defunded education and tried to dumb down the educational ciriculum....and you have not proven otherwise. But then I knew you wouldn't or should I say, couldn't.
 
You said:
Are you suggesting that the conservative brain child, "No Child Left Behind" isn't working?" What a shock. Intelligent Design, hows that working out for ya? GOP congress wants to cherry pick only the science they agree with so don't be surprised when businesses want to relocate or bring in more intelligent immigrants to take your jobs. Not at all surprised concerning the job numbers, especially in conservative states.
Claiming that 1) No Child Left Behind is a conservative 'brain child' -- Proven wrong by facts.
You claim that 2) the GOP wants to cherry pick what science is taught in schools and provide links saying that a representative from Texas proposed passing a bill that would require the federal spending on NSF to be “in the interests of the United States to advance the national health, prosperity, or welfare and to secure the national defense by promoting the progress of science.” You assume that this represents the whole GOP, which doesn't make sense, and then go on to claim that this is somehow 'cherry picking' what will be taught. If this were to pass, it would do no such thing. A gross misuse of words on your part.
The claim that 3) business will relocate from states where schools are allowed to teach certain religious classes is completely unsubstantiated, and providing links that show how there are not enough skilled workers in no way whatsoever helps your case.
You claim that 4) this supposed lack of education brought about by the GOP's supposed attack on education, which so far is completely unsubstantiated, you claim that this will cause business to move or hire immigrants which will cause that state to lose jobs. A state does not lose jobs when hiring immigrants fyi.

My point was and still is that conservatives are trying to dumb down America and your obtuse replies are only helping to validate my argument.
And you have absolutely no shred of evidence to support your point.

Lowering standards so students could pass the NCLB profiency tests meant that colleges had to lower their standards and teach students basic english, math and reading skills just so they could move on to college level. If students don't know how to think critically then they aren't going to be proficient in business or communication either. So yes, my links do support my conclusion.
Why were the standards lowered do you think? And it's complete folly to assume that students who are taught a few religious courses cannot think critically.

Perhaps that was then, but this is now and the proof is in the pudding, conservatives have demonized teachers, defunded education and tried to dumb down the educational ciriculum....and you have not proven otherwise. But then I knew you wouldn't or should I say, couldn't.
You have not shown anything where conservatives have "demonized teachers, defunded education and tried to dumb down the educational ciriculum" (great spelling btw) and it's up to you to provide evidence that they have. And that, if they have, that this is indicative of the entire GOP. You have shown none of either.
 
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Claiming that 1) No Child Left Behind is a conservative 'brain child' -- Proven wrong by facts.
Sorry, but the facts are not on your side....

"...Margret Spellings worked for six years as Mr. Bush's education adviser in Texas, pushing policies on early reading and student accountability. They became the model for the federal law, No Child Left Behind, that Spellings helped put together from the White House after Mr. Bush's election in 2000...."
Bush Taps Spellings For Education - CBS News

You claim that 2) the GOP wants to cherry pick what science is taught in schools and provide links saying that a representative from Texas proposed passing a bill that would require the federal spending on NSF to be “in the interests of the United States to advance the national health, prosperity, or welfare and to secure the national defense by promoting the progress of science.”

You assume that this represents the whole GOP, which doesn't make sense, and then go on to claim that this is somehow 'cherry picking' what will be taught. If this were to pass, it would do no such thing. A gross misuse of words on your part.
It's not only well documented but it's been repeatedly in the news for the last 10 years that conservatives have an anti-science agenda on everything from stem cell research to global warming to evolution and even vaccines.

The claim that 3) business will relocate from states where schools are allowed to teach certain religious classes is completely unsubstantiated, and providing links that show how there are not enough skilled workers in no way whatsoever helps your case.
Don't make a strawman out of it. I specifically said, "Businesses who need an educated workforce are not going to locate in a city or state with an uneducated workforce." Take Toyota for example....

Workforce issues may have derailed plant - USATODAY.com

You claim that 4) this supposed lack of education brought about by the GOP's supposed attack on education, which so far is completely unsubstantiated, you claim that this will cause business to move or hire immigrants which will cause that state to lose jobs. A state does not lose jobs when hiring immigrants fyi.

And you have absolutely no shred of evidence to support your point.

Why were the standards lowered do you think? And it's complete folly to assume that students who are taught a few religious courses cannot think critically.

You have not shown anything where conservatives have "demonized teachers, defunded education and tried to dumb down the educational ciriculum" (great spelling btw) and it's up to you to provide evidence that they have. And that, if they have, that this is indicative of the entire GOP. You have shown none of either.
Blah, blah, blah. In case you haven't noticed, the only one not providing a shred of evidence in this entire discussion is you.
 
Sorry, but the facts are not on your side....

"...Margret Spellings worked for six years as Mr. Bush's education adviser in Texas, pushing policies on early reading and student accountability. They became the model for the federal law, No Child Left Behind, that Spellings helped put together from the White House after Mr. Bush's election in 2000...."
Bush Taps Spellings For Education - CBS News

It's not only well documented but it's been repeatedly in the news for the last 10 years that conservatives have an anti-science agenda on everything from stem cell research to global warming to evolution and even vaccines.

Don't make a strawman out of it. I specifically said, "Businesses who need an educated workforce are not going to locate in a city or state with an uneducated workforce." Take Toyota for example....

Workforce issues may have derailed plant - USATODAY.com

Blah, blah, blah. In case you haven't noticed, the only one not providing a shred of evidence in this entire discussion is you.

While no child left behind did not live up to expectations it was at least an attempt to fix a broken education system where about 50% of urban youths do not graduate high school. This is a deplorable position for a country that relies on high skilled highly paid (compared to most of the world) workers.

It is interesting that Bush is attacked for trying to fix education and tried also to get immigration passed, Obama has not little or nothing in nearly 5 years in office on these two issues.
 
While no child left behind did not live up to expectations it was at least an attempt to fix a broken education system where about 50% of urban youths do not graduate high school. This is a deplorable position for a country that relies on high skilled highly paid (compared to most of the world) workers.

It is interesting that Bush is attacked for trying to fix education and tried also to get immigration passed, Obama has not little or nothing in nearly 5 years in office on these two issues.

I feel bad attacking Bush but the fact is he was more interested in appointing his cronies whether they were qualified or not, than he was in fixing anything.

Here's a list of Obama's achievements on education but without a congress there isn't much he can do.....

1.BROAD POLICY:
2.Enacted largest reform of student aid in 40 years.
3.Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010.
4.Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans.
5.FUNDING:
6.Increased funding for land-grant college.
7.Provided means for students struggling to make college loan payments to refinance.
8.TARGETED ACTIONS:
9.Expanded Pell grants for low-income students.
10.Expanded Pell grant pool by eliminating private lender subsidies for student loans.

http://obamaachievements.org/list#top


As a side: My state of Utah refused to join the union unless they were allowed state soveriegnty over education. That still holds true,...unless they accept federal funding for education.... which they do...and in doing so, lost state sovereignty over education. Now they are too dependent on federal funding to go back.
 
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I feel bad attacking Bush but the fact is he was more interested in appointing his cronies whether they were qualified or not, than he was in fixing anything.

Here's a list of Obama's achievements on education but without a congress there isn't much he can do.....

1.BROAD POLICY:
2.Enacted largest reform of student aid in 40 years.
3.Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010.
4.Established President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans.
5.FUNDING:
6.Increased funding for land-grant college.
7.Provided means for students struggling to make college loan payments to refinance.
8.TARGETED ACTIONS:
9.Expanded Pell grants for low-income students.
10.Expanded Pell grant pool by eliminating private lender subsidies for student loans.

Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center


As a side: My state of Utah refused to join the union unless they were allowed state soveriegnty over education. That still holds true,...unless they accept federal funding for education.... which they do...and in doing so, lost state sovereignty over education. Now they are too dependent on federal funding to go back.

The list is mostly about aid for college students. I think we need to do a better job K-12. It is a disgrace that this country has such a high rate of high school dropouts. Those kids have little chance of success in the modern world.
 
It is interesting that Bush is attacked for trying to fix education...Obama has not little or nothing in nearly 5 years in office on these two issues.
Not renewing No Child Left Behind, and granting waivers to state which request them, automatically puts Obama far ahead of Bush on the educational front.
 
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