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    Re: Spring Slowdown Paints Ugly Picture For Jobs: ADP

    Quote Originally Posted by Spadesof2 View Post
    Do you even know what arguing a positive/negative is?
    Yes, but how does that apply to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, but how does that apply to you?
    It means that if you want to argue that conservatives are anti-education, YOU have to supply the proof. We look at the 'proof' that you bring up and determine if it logically supports your thesis. So far, it hasn't. We have seen that a representative from Texas has a bill that would require the NSF to spend it's money in a useful manner, a few links that show how the uneducated cannot get jobs, something about the 'anti-science' conservative which is a debate for another forum section, but conservatives are HARDLY anti science. And even if they were, all of the extreme-right-wing-religious-nut proposals get shot down anyway, so the system is working as intended (in that respect). The one's that aren't (if there are any) are freak cases that do not represent the majority of the GOP.

    I know plenty of conservatives who are pro education, all of them in fact.

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    Re: Spring Slowdown Paints Ugly Picture For Jobs: ADP

    Quote Originally Posted by Spadesof2 View Post
    It means that if you want to argue that conservatives are anti-education, YOU have to supply the proof.
    I did.

    We look at the 'proof' that you bring up and determine if it logically supports your thesis.
    Just saying neener neener isn't a valid argument or rebuttal. You have to actually to provide some of evidence of your own to prove your claim that conservatives aren't trying to dumb down America. Surely there must something to help prove they aren't....no? Then the evidence that says they are, stands.

    Here's some more evidence....

    "...Dr. Charles Elliott, a Decatur Republican who serves on the state Board of Education, provides relief for those torn by the seeming conflict between loyalty to the Republican Party and to public education. It’s a manufactured conflict, he said. Republicans historically have been ardent defenders of public schools, seeing them as essential not just for individual opportunity but for economic progress. He is angry — red-in-the-face furious — that his party has squandered its complete power over the state to pursue a vendetta against public schools.

    The legislative attacks on the schools have been nearly constant since the 2011 session, most involving creative ways to reduce school funding or to shift General Fund expenses to the Education Trust Fund.

    The Legislature’s most public assault on the schools this session was the Alabama Accountability Act....read
    Republicans can support schools - The Decatur Daily - Decatur, Alabama

    So far, it hasn't.
    Denile is a river in Egypt.

    We have seen that a representative from Texas has a bill that would require the NSF to spend it's money in a useful manner, a few links that show how the uneducated cannot get jobs, something about the 'anti-science' conservative which is a debate for another forum section, but conservatives are HARDLY anti science. And even if they were, all of the extreme-right-wing-religious-nut proposals get shot down anyway, so the system is working as intended (in that respect). The one's that aren't (if there are any) are freak cases that do not represent the majority of the GOP.
    Thank goodness for the Constitution then, eh? But that doesn't negate the fact that conservative legislatures in almost every red state in the union keep trying to dumb down America with stupid anti-education legislation and propaganda every chance they get.

    Here's some more evidence...

    Louisiana educators, administrators unite against anti-public schools legislation | Education Votes

    I know plenty of conservatives who are pro education, all of them in fact.
    I wish I could say the same.

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    Re: Spring Slowdown Paints Ugly Picture For Jobs: ADP

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I did.
    I don't think so, and I explained why for (i think) each link you provided.

    Just saying neener neener isn't a valid argument or rebuttal. You have to actually to provide some of evidence of your own to prove your claim that conservatives aren't trying to dumb down America. Surely there must something to help prove they aren't....no? Then the evidence that says they are, stands.
    I'm not sure if I can take you seriously, since in the very next 'evidence' you post it says:
    It’s a manufactured conflict, he said. Republicans historically have been ardent defenders of public schools, seeing them as essential not just for individual opportunity but for economic progress.
    Do you not see how this works?

    The legislative attacks on the schools have been nearly constant since the 2011 session, most involving creative ways to reduce school funding or to shift General Fund expenses to the Education Trust Fund.
    Reduced school funding does not mean that the education quality has to be lowered, just like reduced defense spending does not have to reduce our actual defense capabilities. One example in Montgomery an example of the GOP does not make.


    Thank goodness for the Constitution then, eh? But that doesn't negate the fact that conservative legislatures in almost every red state in the union keep trying to dumb down America with stupid anti-education legislation and propaganda every chance they get.
    Unsubstantiated opinion noted.

    Nice bias that website is spewing there... too bad they couldn't get that more under control, then I might be tempted to take them a tab bit seriously. Looking through the mud, it appears that they are mad that the legislation favors private schools over public ones. Something wrong with private schooling in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spadesof2 View Post
    I don't think so, and I explained why for (i think) each link you provided.

    I'm not sure if I can take you seriously, since in the very next 'evidence' you post it says: Do you not see how this works?
    Did you finish reading what he said? ....

    "...He is angry — red-in-the-face furious — that his party has squandered its complete power over the state to pursue a vendetta against public schools."

    Do you not understand context and the point being made? How can anyone take you seriously if you don't read the links and if you do, you don't understand what you do read?

    Reduced school funding does not mean that the education quality has to be lowered, just like reduced defense spending does not have to reduce our actual defense capabilities. One example in Montgomery an example of the GOP does not make.
    Well, the people who actually do the teaching disagree...and I think they know better than politicians who've never taught in their lives, don't you?
    Unsubstantiated opinion noted.
    Likewise.

    Nice bias that website is spewing there... too bad they couldn't get that more under control, then I might be tempted to take them a tab bit seriously. Looking through the mud, it appears that they are mad that the legislation favors private schools over public ones. Something wrong with private schooling in your opinion?
    Well, without any evidence of your own, you really don't have a lot credibilty in this discussion.

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    Re: Spring Slowdown Paints Ugly Picture For Jobs: ADP

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Did you finish reading what he said? ....

    "...He is angry — red-in-the-face furious — that his party has squandered its complete power over the state to pursue a vendetta against public schools."
    Yes I did, and I'm not sure what you expect me to say. Article says republicans are historically pro education, and this one particular guy, who happens to be a republican, is upset. Nothing to get overly upset about, and I'll sleep just fine tonight knowing that there exists republicans who don't like public schools as much as private.

    Do you not understand context and the point being made? How can anyone take you seriously if you don't read the links and if you do, you don't understand what you do read?
    If you can't take my criticism without lashing out in busts of rage you can always stop arguing or ignore me. If you want to debate, then debate. You've told me why you think conservatives are anti-education, I just don't think it makes sense.

    Well, the people who actually do the teaching disagree...and I think they know better than politicians who've never taught in their lives, don't you?
    If does not surprise me that those employed in the field resist anything that would cut back on the money spent there. Not one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I did.

    Just saying neener neener isn't a valid argument or rebuttal. You have to actually to provide some of evidence of your own to prove your claim that conservatives aren't trying to dumb down America. Surely there must something to help prove they aren't....no? Then the evidence that says they are, stands.

    Here's some more evidence....

    "...Dr. Charles Elliott, a Decatur Republican who serves on the state Board of Education, provides relief for those torn by the seeming conflict between loyalty to the Republican Party and to public education. It’s a manufactured conflict, he said. Republicans historically have been ardent defenders of public schools, seeing them as essential not just for individual opportunity but for economic progress. He is angry — red-in-the-face furious — that his party has squandered its complete power over the state to pursue a vendetta against public schools.

    The legislative attacks on the schools have been nearly constant since the 2011 session, most involving creative ways to reduce school funding or to shift General Fund expenses to the Education Trust Fund.

    The Legislature’s most public assault on the schools this session was the Alabama Accountability Act....read
    Republicans can support schools - The Decatur Daily - Decatur, Alabama

    Denile is a river in Egypt.


    Thank goodness for the Constitution then, eh? But that doesn't negate the fact that conservative legislatures in almost every red state in the union keep trying to dumb down America with stupid anti-education legislation and propaganda every chance they get.

    Here's some more evidence...

    Louisiana educators, administrators unite against anti-public schools legislation | Education Votes

    I wish I could say the same.
    Not sure if you are a teacher or part of some union. It seems that you conflate the subject of education with the subject of the power of the teachers unions. Some say that the unions are too strong and thus hurt the education of our youth. Folks can agree or disagree on that point, but to say someone wants the teachers union to have less power to keep lousy teachers in school is anti-education is just wrong in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spadesof2 View Post
    Yes I did, and I'm not sure what you expect me to say. Article says republicans are historically pro education, and this one particular guy, who happens to be a republican, is upset. Nothing to get overly upset about, and I'll sleep just fine tonight knowing that there exists republicans who don't like public schools as much as private.
    The same man said republicans are historically pro-education and that he was upset by their attacks on education. But you either chose to cherry pick what he said or didn't comprehend it at all.

    If you can't take my criticism without lashing out in busts of rage you can always stop arguing or ignore me. If you want to debate, then debate. You've told me why you think conservatives are anti-education, I just don't think it makes sense.
    I can take your criticism just fine but it's becoming quite clear that you can't handle the taste of your own medicine.


    If does not surprise me that those employed in the field resist anything that would cut back on the money spent there. Not one bit.
    It's just their livlihoods and the future our children at stake, but hey as long as Republicans can score a few political points at the expense of the vulnerable and defenseless then why should you care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Not sure if you are a teacher or part of some union. It seems that you conflate the subject of education with the subject of the power of the teachers unions. Some say that the unions are too strong and thus hurt the education of our youth. Folks can agree or disagree on that point, but to say someone wants the teachers union to have less power to keep lousy teachers in school is anti-education is just wrong in my view.
    Do you think that's the reason Republicans are attacking not just unions, but education as well? I suppose anyone can find a teacher that is lousy and it might even be valid, but that shouldn't dictate what curriculum is taught in public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The same man said republicans are historically pro-education and that he was upset by their attacks on education. But you either chose to cherry pick what he said or didn't comprehend it at all.
    It's hard to take you seriously when you can't even get your facts straight. The man was not saying that republicans were attacking education, he said they were attacking public schools. A distinction that you continually fail to make.

    I can take your criticism just fine but it's becoming quite clear that you can't handle the taste of your own medicine.
    I'm just fine, thanks.

    It's just their livlihoods and the future our children at stake, but hey as long as Republicans can score a few political points at the expense of the vulnerable and defenseless then why should you care?
    You can't seriously think that's the only thing at stake here, can you? Gee, I guess we should just give in to whatever the teachers unions demand, because they must know best amiright? And think of the vulnerable and defenseless children!

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