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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Convincing military enemies to turn on their comrades isn't terrorism, it's espionage. Soldiers are legitimate targets of war. It's not terrorism for our troops to shoot at Al-Qaeda members, why would it be terrorism for them to shoot back?
    You and I have a different take on what happened. When somebody shoots up a place, killing 13 and wounding dozens more while shouting, "Allahu Akbar!!!" (God is great!!!)... when he is wearing the garb of the shaheed the morning of his jihad...when he was giving out qurans the morning of his jihad...and his business card said "soldier of allah," sorry, I just don't see that as workplace violence. Maybe that's just me.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Show me which legal definition of terrorism it would fall under. Political motives seems to be a requirement, and there is no evidence he had one.
    This one, from your link:

    The US Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "...the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You and I have a different take on what happened. When somebody shoots up a place, killing 13 and wounding dozens more while shouting, "Allahu Akbar!!!" (God is great!!!)... when he is wearing the garb of the shaheed the morning of his jihad...when he was giving out qurans the morning of his jihad...and his business card said "soldier of allah," sorry, I just don't see that as workplace violence. Maybe that's just me.

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    I was thinking the same thing Maggie. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the motivation was terrorism in that particular instance as well. I think the only reason why someone would be hesitant to refer to it as an actual terrorist attack would be because of the fact that the guy acted kind of as a lone wolf, as far as we know.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Show me which legal definition of terrorism it would fall under. Political motives seems to be a requirement, and there is no evidence he had one.
    What about the fact that he was against the wars, and he was against killing his fellow Muslims, whether they be radicalized or not.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep, I just threw this one up in the Prof's Thread too..... Rueters has confirmed too.

    A U.S. law enforcement source said that two of the suspects taken into custody on Wednesday include classmates of the younger brother at the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth. They are being held by immigration officials for violating the terms of their visas. The source said they are likely to face charges related to obstruction of justice and with making false statements to investigators.

    Police are investigating whether the classmates threw away a backpack at Tsarnaev's request after the bombing, which killed three people and injured 264 others. Last week law enforcement officials were seen searching dumps in southeastern Massachusetts.

    The third person taken into custody on Wednesday was a U.S. citizen, and all three were being investigated for actions taken after the bombings, the U.S. law enforcement source said.

    The lawyer for one of the men detained on Wednesday, identified as Dias Kadyrbayeye, said his client was being held for violations of his student visa.

    The lawyer, Robert Stahl, said his client was "not a target" of the bombing investigation, but declined to comment on any other specifics. He said his client had "cooperated fully" with investigators and "wants to go home to Kazakhstan."

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What about religious motives? Those would be considered terrorism too, don't you think?
    Legally, religious motivation is not terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You and I have a different take on what happened. When somebody shoots up a place, killing 13 and wounding dozens more while shouting, "Allahu Akbar!!!" (God is great!!!)... when he is wearing the garb of the shaheed the morning of his jihad...when he was giving out qurans the morning of his jihad...and his business card said "soldier of allah," sorry, I just don't see that as workplace violence. Maybe that's just me.

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    The world that has laws. The law defines what is terrorism for purposes of the law. Emotional judgements are not the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This one, from your link:
    There is no evidence he tried to coerce or intimidate any one.
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    The DOD and the POTUS do not want to make belief in Islam the litmus test for terrorism (understandably). We have way too many people serving who are Muslim to do that. It would be like shooting ourselves in the foot and would malign some very good service people.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What about the fact that he was against the wars, and he was against killing his fellow Muslims, whether they be radicalized or not.
    Closer, but there is no real evidence that I know of that his attack was motivated to end those wars.
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The DOD and the POTUS do not want to make belief in Islam the litmus test for terrorism (understandably). We have way too many people serving who are Muslim to do that. It would be like shooting ourselves in the foot and would malign some very good service people.
    No one is suggesting that at all. It's RADICAL Islam that we are concerned with.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The DOD and the POTUS do not want to make belief in Islam the litmus test for terrorism (understandably). We have way too many people serving who are Muslim to do that. It would be like shooting ourselves in the foot and would malign some very good service people.
    I actually served with a black muslim when I was in the navy. Really great guy, smart as hell and incredibly motivated. The problem is not the religion, it is what some people do in the name of religion.
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