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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The words used are "normal" just before committing a suicidal act by terrorists...
    Also used in lots of other situations. In fact, your example is a rare usage of it compared to most.
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    That's being a bit disingenuous
    No, it is being precise.
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a religious statement, and some of his believed motivations fit with him using it.
    On its own, it is a religious statement. When it is the hallmark of Al-Qaeda operatives shouted right before the commission of a terrorist attack, it becomes political.

    Context does matter.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Also used in lots of other situations. In fact, your example is a rare usage of it compared to most.
    Used before an act such as that at Fort Hood? Hmmm, that's a bit of a stretch...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, it is being precise.
    Not at all. because you are intentionally ignoring it has specific contextual relations to militant Islam.

    PS contextual relations sounds kinda dirty
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    On its own, it is a religious statement. When it is the hallmark of Al-Qaeda operatives shouted right before the commission of a terrorist attack, it becomes political.

    Context does matter.
    Absolutely context matters. However, you are making a supposition, not necessarily born out by evidence.
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Absolutely context matters. However, you are making a supposition, not necessarily born out by evidence.
    Witnesses provided statements as to the usage, and there are 13 dead along with 30 wounded, yet, you cannot come to see it as a terrorist action?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    A guy, known to have correspondence with Al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki, yells "Allahu Akbar" right before killing a bunch of soldiers to be deployed to Afghanistan.

    Apolitical?
    And not tied to jihadists? <Insert obligatory and also sincere statement that there are millions of peace-loving, decent, wonderful people of the Muslim faith.>

    Fort Hood was a terrorist attack.

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Witnesses provided statements as to the usage, and there are 13 dead along with 30 wounded, yet, you cannot come to see it as a terrorist action?
    Guy seemed rather loopie. Which is what I think they mean with work place violence. It would be akin to some guy experiancing a breakdown, carving a swastika in his forehead, and going postal.

    The problem with that though is his extensive contacts with radical islamists. So it's hard to say what happened here, but politics likely played a role in what it was eventually designated

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    Re: Boston PD Arrest 3 More Suspects in Bombing Plot -- Uh-oh!

    the pc crowd scrupulously avoids looking at religion

    The U.S. military's just-released report into the Fort Hood shootings spends 86 pages detailing various slipups by Army officers but not once mentions Major Nidal Hasan by name or even discusses whether the killings may have had anything to do with the suspect's view of his Muslim faith. And as Congress opens two days of hearings on Wednesday into the Pentagon probe of the Nov. 5 attack that left 13 dead, lawmakers want explanations for that omission.

    John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 commission and Navy Secretary during the Reagan Administration, says a reluctance to cause offense by citing Hasan's view of his Muslim faith and the U.S. military's activities in Muslim countries as a possible trigger for his alleged rampage reflects a problem that has gotten worse in the 40 years that Lehman has spent in and around the U.S. military. The Pentagon report's silence on Islamic extremism "shows you how deeply entrenched the values of political correctness have become," he told TIME on Tuesday. "It's definitely getting worse, and is now so ingrained that people no longer smirk when it happens."

    The apparent lack of curiosity into what allegedly drove Hasan to kill isn't in keeping with the military's ethos; it's a remarkable omission for the U.S. armed forces, whose young officers are often ordered to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War with its command to know your enemy. In midcareer, they study the contrast between capabilities and intentions, which is why they aren't afraid of a British nuclear weapon but do fear the prospect of Iran getting one.

    Yet the leaders of the two-month Pentagon review, former Army Secretary Togo West and the Navy's onetime top admiral, Vernon Clark, told reporters last week that they didn't drill down into Hasan's motives. "Our concern is with actions and effects, not necessarily with motivations," West said. Added Clark: "We certainly do not cite a particular group." Part of their reticence, they said, was to avoid running afoul of the criminal probe of Hasan that is now under way. Both are declining interview requests before their congressional testimony, a Pentagon spokesman said.

    But without a motive, there would have been no murder. Hasan wore his radical Islamic faith and its jihadist tendencies in the same way he wore his Army uniform. He allegedly proselytized within the ranks, spoke out against the wars his Army was waging in Muslim countries and shouted "Allahu akbar" (God is great) as he gunned down his fellow soldiers.
    Fort Hood Report: No Mention of Islam, Hasan Not Named - TIME

    that is, in determining that hasan's actions were an incident of workplace violence, the pentagon determinedly ignored motivation

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