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Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

ChrisL said:
It has been safe in clinical trials. It has never been offered to minors as an over-the-counter here in America. You have NO evidence.
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Dishonest

Plan B has been used by minors with no problems. This may surprise, but the teens in Europe are just as human as American teens
 
And the safety of the medication isn't the ONLY concern here. Stop being so obtuse. :roll:
 
CaptinSarcastic said:
Good to see you come around.
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This has always been my position on Plan-B.

CaptinSarcastic said:
I don't disagree with it being behind the retail counter with cigs and porn, other age restricted products. It does have an antitheft device in the box, but they just let you know when someone is stealing, they don't run out the door and catch 'me for you.
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Tat's why shop lifters open box and remove the product before leaving the store.
 
Bonzai said:
The pagan people thought their parental rights included infanticide till the age of 4. Your people interfered with their parental rights. Why do your parental rights deserve any more respect than was shown theirs ?....................
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so your saying their should be no parental rights at all?
 
ernst barkmann said:
that is not the issue i am dealing in, since my daughter is a minor, and i have the parental right over her, can she the child use the police to override my parental rights, that prevent her from obtaining/ taking the drug?
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Your rights do not prevent her from buying or taking Plan B
 
Quik said:
That's a logical contradiction. If it's ok for them to have sex then it shouldn't matter who they are having sex with. If it's not ok, then it shouldn't matter either. In either case, it shouldn't matter.
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The way the law works, 15 year olds can have sex with other 15 year olds. It's only when an older person is involved that the law steps in.
 
ernst barkmann said:
so your saying their should be no parental rights at all?
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Lol...............No, I'm saying "parental rights" are not some unviolatible thing. Christians proved that.....................
 
roguenuke said:
Wrong. There are many consequences of sex. The least wanted is actually an STD of some sort that we don't yet have a cure for. Pregnancy is there, but pregnancy is much better prevented by actually getting a teen who is having sex on birth control and explaining to them why the MAP should be used as emergency birth control, not their main form. And if they can't go to their parents when they need Plan B, it probably means they aren't on birth control, since you need a prescription for birth control.

The consequences of having sex and needing Plan B should be going to actually ask your parent to get it for you, even if that means facing them with what you did. Most teens would not be turned out by their parents for it. They may face some disappointment from them but so what? What is the big deal about having parents who are disappointed in their children temporarily for having sex while a teenager? Pretty sure many parents would feel at least some pride in their child coming to them when they make a mistake. Most of the fear that parents are going to harm or disown a teen for having sex is just irrational fear of a teenaged mind. Very few parents would actually kick their teenaged daughters out for having sex. They would merely fell disappointed in them.
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If you're looking for the best proven solution to teen pregnancy, then that solution consists of comprehensive sex-ed, to include abstinence as a unit in the material, and easy availability of birth control.

Other than that you need to focus on the family's economic standing and familial stability.
 
I don't have a problem with a 15-year-old who wants to use this drug. My problem is the without parental knowledge part. That's just not smart at all IMO.

I love how some try to justify it by saying, "duh, 15-year-old's are going to have sex." NO really? That doesn't make it an intelligent informed decision in any way, shape or form. These kids should have to seek out an adult so that someone can at least have a talk with them and try to find out what is going on with them and ensure that they ARE making wise decisions. This is the whole point of them being MINORS and being under parental supervision and guardianship.
 
sangha said:
Actually, you can't
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there you have it ladies and gentlemen.

WHAT EVER THE STATE DETERMINES THE CHILD SHALL HAVE, YOU AS A PARENT HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILD, NO PARENTAL RIGHTS.

even though a child cannot vote, be in the military, have a fire arm, buy a playboy,...a child can purchase condoms, or drugs, without a parents permission.

so government is the great decider of what a child shall have, not the parents...
 
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ernst barkmann said:
there you have it ladies and gentlemen.

WHAT EVER THE STATE DETERMINES THE CHILD SHALL HAVE, YOU AS A PARENT HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILD, NO PARENTAL RIGHTS.

even though a child cannot vote, be in the military, have a fire arm, buy a playboy,...a child can purchase condoms, or drugs, with a parents permission.

so government is the great decider of what a child shall have, not the parents...
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Or, maybe you're just peeved that the "state" no longer has a Christian Weltanschauung ?.........................
 
ChrisL said:
I don't have a problem with a 15-year-old who wants to use this drug. My problem is the without parental knowledge part.
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So suddenly, you have no concern about the BS nonsense you posted earlier about the dangers of taking Plan B
 
ChrisL said:
I don't have a problem with a 15-year-old who wants to use this drug. My problem is the without parental knowledge part. That's just not smart at all IMO.

I love how some try to justify it by saying, "duh, 15-year-old's are going to have sex." NO really? That doesn't make it an intelligent informed decision in any way, shape or form. These kids should have to seek out an adult so that someone can at least have a talk with them and try to find out what is going on with them and ensure that they ARE making wise decisions. This is the whole point of them being MINORS and being under parental supervision and guardianship.
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As a parent I agree that parents and children should have an open line of communication on many topics, sex included.

If the parent and child already have that openness, then there's no concern. If that openness doesn't exist, this is not the time to 'out' the teen's sex life. Establishing healthy communication is an ongoing process, whereas the teen has about 72hrs for Plan-B to be of any use.
 
ernst barkmann said:
there you have it ladies and gentlemen.

WHAT EVER THE STATE DETERMINES THE CHILD SHALL HAVE, YOU AS A PARENT HAVE NO AUTHORITY OVER THE CHILD, NO PARENTAL RIGHTS.

even though a child cannot vote, be in the military, have a fire arm, buy a playboy,...a child can purchase condoms, or drugs, without a parents permission.

so government is the great decider of what a child shall have, not the parents...
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LOL!

What makes a poster think their hysteria is persuasive?
 
ernst barkmann said:
does it really matter, its not in government authority, to dictate what products my child shall receive by denying my parental rights.
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The govt isn't dictating what your child receives. The only people who get Plan B are the people who choose to buy it
 
ernst barkmann said:
does it really matter
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It really matters to people on this thread who are trying to understand where you're coming from.

In my view, Plan-B is morally identical NyQuil. I don't understand why a parent would want to refuse their child medicine like that.
 
sangha said:
So suddenly, you have no concern about the BS nonsense you posted earlier about the dangers of taking Plan B
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actually i knew where you stood all along, i just wanted to get it out of you.

i knew you would not be in favor of parental rights, so i waited till you got your word games out of the way, and you finally answered, in favor of the state...which i knew you would.
 
Jerry said:
The way the law works, 15 year olds can have sex with other 15 year olds. It's only when an older person is involved that the law steps in.
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Right, and that is based on a logical contradiction.
 
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