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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It would move up on a shoplifter's list because many shoplifters are young women looking for things they need or want, and either can't afford or don't feel like paying for. Plus, since these pills are around $40-$50 a piece, there is no reason why young women and even men wouldn't try to snatch them rather than pay for them since many young people cannot afford that price, not without help from their parents or another adult anyway.
    This is true of literally any item on any store shelf anywhere. Yes, some things get stolen. But morning after pills are not some hot commodity that will be rampantly stolen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I am avoiding nothing, I asked a question, and rather than answer it you diverted by asking a non-related question. And yes, there is a difference in validity of opinions on the subject between those that are currently or have already, raised children and those that have not. It's called experience. Those that have not, do not know the daily in's and out's of what a child at that age is like, at home, with personal issues. It's a simple fact.

    Your last line is amazingly funny. Hi pot.
    I know what children are like. And you are avoiding my point: other than your emotional aversion to the idea of a 15 year old girl having sex, there's no real reason to separate the morning after pill from cough drops or condoms. Yes, parents would like to be informed that their child is having sex. I have this incredible idea: ask them, rather than having that conversation forced upon you at a doctor's office, because by then you're too late and have already failed them.

    Restricted access to birth control leads to greater frequency of unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Why would you want that for your child?
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Your children are already sexualized. Access to this pill doesn't change that in any way. Nobody is going to go "Oh, I can get morning after pills? Forget abstinence, I'm totally having sex now!"

    Teenagers have sex. They always have and always will. You can accept that and try to educate and protect them, or let them get pregnant or sick.



    Nobody is going to deliberately forgo using protection just because the morning after pill exists. A teenager actually thinking about protection beforehand is going to get real protection. The trouble is that they usually don't think about it beforehand. The statistical reality is that the best way to reduce teen pregnancy and disease is comprehensive sexual education and easy access to protection. Not only do abstinence-only programs not work, they actively make things worse.
    What about STDs?

    What about the ability to buy this drug for girls even younger than 15?

    What about the parents right to raise their children as they see fit.

    What about these side effects?: Morning-after pill: Risks - MayoClinic.com



    What about this little history precedent?

    "Hitler saw children as “clean slates” on which barbarism could be written, but only if they are removed from the influences of their parents. Kitty Werthmann, a living witness to life under the Nazi boot, describes how pre-Hitler Austria abounded with compassionate and respectful youth. Post Hitler brought hideous changes. Public school teachers encouraged the children to disregard their parents' “fuddy-duddy” ways. Mandatory Youth Day was designated on Sundays at the time of Catholic Mass. Parents who took their children to church instead of youth day faced capital punishment. By firmly holding the children in their hands, Nazis successfully paved the road to the Holocaust."

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Teens don't think ahead, they don't think about the consequences of what they do, which is why we shouldn't be allowing them to have the easy way out.
    So the easy way out is to let them get pregnant? *confused*

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Did they pay for the health insurance that covered you? If something had gone wrong, whose insurance would have paid for it....yours or your parents'? There's nothing like being 15 and smarter than everyone around you.
    What does your question have to do with OTC emergency contraception?

    If it's OTC, they don't need to see a doctor and thus no insurance is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Or she will be missing a 'learning moment' that could have come from her parents knowing about it.
    Maybe a better policy then would be to let her get the morning after pill, but the pharmacist has to place a call to the legal guardian?

    I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of preventing an unwanted pregnancy. The more bureaucracy means the less time there is to implement the MAP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Question is, are they mentally mature enough to be having sex? I hope we aren't hurting the next generation by assuming they are mentally mature enough.
    I don't think this question is relevant given that they ARE having sex and thus they are exposing themselves to the potential consequences. It only makes sense to give them access to some tools to deal with those consequences as well.

    Girls are hitting puberty more and more early as time passes, likely because of the synthetic estrogens now in all the packaged and processed food people are eating. We're going to have to start getting used to the fact that girls are going to start being sexually active younger and younger because of our society's lifestyle.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    What about STDs?

    What about the ability to buy this drug for girls even younger than 15?

    What about the parents right to raise their children as they see fit.

    What about these side effects?: Morning-after pill: Risks - MayoClinic.com



    What about this little history precedent?

    "Hitler saw children as “clean slates” on which barbarism could be written, but only if they are removed from the influences of their parents. Kitty Werthmann, a living witness to life under the Nazi boot, describes how pre-Hitler Austria abounded with compassionate and respectful youth. Post Hitler brought hideous changes. Public school teachers encouraged the children to disregard their parents' “fuddy-duddy” ways. Mandatory Youth Day was designated on Sundays at the time of Catholic Mass. Parents who took their children to church instead of youth day faced capital punishment. By firmly holding the children in their hands, Nazis successfully paved the road to the Holocaust."
    Birth control linked to Nazis. Thread over.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Birth control linked to Nazis. Thread over.

    After you overlook the other questions so conveniently?

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This is hardly surprising when you realize that the Obama administration, within the past 6 months, hired a former lobbiest for the manufacturer of the Plan B drug as the lead attorney for the Department of Health and Human Services. This lobbiest also happened to be a Deputy Commissioner with the FDA during the Clinton administration.

    Why bother with lobbying when you can get right in the hen house and be part of the decision making process.
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    After you overlook the other questions so conveniently?
    Bringing up Hitler means you have waived any claim on honest debate. There's no reason to respond to someone who is going to behave like you have. I dont try and have rational discussions with blatantly dishonest people. I'm sorry that bothers you.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I know what children are like.
    Do you have children?

    other than your emotional aversion to the idea of a 15 year old girl having sex,
    Now you are making up things that were never said or even suggested. As stated before I am a parent, I know what sort of things kids get into at different ages. So when you want to discuss things without making up stuff, let us know.
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Do you have children?



    Now you are making up things that were never said or even suggested. As stated before I am a parent, I know what sort of things kids get into at different ages. So when you want to discuss things without making up stuff, let us know.
    Explain how this pill is different than buying a condom.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I dont try and have rational discussions with blatantly dishonest people.


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