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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It sometimes takes a long time to learn that "safe" drugs are, in fact, harmful. Again, consider DES and early forms of "the pill." All perfectly safe...until the cancers and etc. began showing up.

    And that's one point: We do not know what the long-term effects of Plan B will be. But we can look to the history of drugs which involve female hormones, and that history advises caution.
    Actually, we do know what the long-term effects are. Plan B has been used for years. No long-term effects

    And if the FDA used your reasoning, then no drug would ever be approved because "who knows!!", some problem might turn up later.

    Say goodbye to new drugs for AIDS, cancer, and hundreds of other health problems.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    true, but by parental permission, my child, will need to info me, if she wishes it, so we can have a discussion of the subject, ..if this their is no discussion it remains a secret.
    That isn't the time to force communication. The emotions, familial politics and numerous misunderstandings take a lot longer than 3 days to work out, and by then there will be a pregnancy to further complicate things.

    Preventing access causes more problems than allowing access.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It sometimes takes a long time to learn that "safe" drugs are, in fact, harmful. Again, consider DES and early forms of "the pill." All perfectly safe...until the cancers and etc. began showing up.

    And that's one point: We do not know what the long-term effects of Plan B will be. But we can look to the history of drugs which involve female hormones, and that history advises caution.
    That's an argument against all hormonal BC, not just this one BC used in this way.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, we do know what the long-term effects are. Plan B has been used for years. No long-term effects

    And if the FDA used your reasoning, then no drug would ever be approved because "who knows!!", some problem might turn up later.

    Say goodbye to new drugs for AIDS, cancer, and hundreds of other health problems.
    I specified drugs that have an impact on female hormones and provided a specific example, DES. I can provide others, but I noted DES because although it hit the market in 1940, it wasn't until 1971 that we recognized the problem. And even then nobody knew that the children of women who took DES would be dealing with its problems too.

    If there is a longitudinal study that details the long-term effects of Plan B on female adolescents, I'd be grateful if you would educate me.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I specified drugs that have an impact on female hormones and provided a specific example, DES. I can provide others, but I noted DES because although it hit the market in 1940, it wasn't until 1971 that we recognized the problem. And even then nobody knew that the children of women who took DES would be dealing with its problems too.

    If there is a longitudinal study that details the long-term effects of Plan B on female adolescents, I'd be grateful if you would educate me.
    None of the drugs you mentioned were Plan B, and they can't do longitudinal studies if they don't let people take the drug.

    And if you think the FDA should test a drug for 31 years before allowing it to be sold, then say goodbye to most of drugs being used today.

    BTW, progrestin-based contraceptives have been available in the US since at least 1998. That's 15 years. So far, no long term problems found
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    None of the drugs you mentioned were Plan B, and they can't do longitudinal studies if they don't let people take the drug.

    And if you think the FDA should test a drug for 31 years before allowing it to be sold, then say goodbye to most of drugs being used today.

    BTW, progrestin-based contraceptives have been available in the US since at least 1998. That's 15 years. So far, no long term problems found
    I am not willing for children to be the test cases. Are you?

    And just FYI, "the pill" was on the market long, long before 1998. When I said "early forms" of "the pill," I wasn't talking about 1998, LOL.

    But if you'd like, we can talk about Jaz or whatever it is and drugs similar to it.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well as stated before, a minor had to get permission from an adult to buy it for them...this means the parents knows the minor's situation, and makes the decision.

    now the parents decision has been removed, because the minor can purchase with parental knowledge.

    the individuals who like this, like the idea the parents are out of the loop.
    as usual, false
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I am not willing for children to be the test cases. Are you?

    And just FYI, "the pill" was on the market long, long before 1998. When I said "early forms" of "the pill," I wasn't talking about 1998, LOL.

    But if you'd like, we can talk about Jaz or whatever it is and drugs similar to it.
    So you won't test drugs on children, and you won't let drugs be given to children unless they're tested
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IOW, you want a Nanny State Govt to enforce your discipline

    is it a nanny state if the protect minors, from alcohol?

    i see no reason to change things, if the parents are ok, with the drug for their child,they shall purchase it.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

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    as usual, false
    totally true

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