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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What difference does it make whether it is harmful or not? After all, it's not the govts job to raise your child. If you don't want your child to do something, then do your job as a parent.
    If you want your child to behave responsibly, it's the parents job, not the govts

    The govt prohibits minors from consuming tobacco or alcohol, with or without the parents permission because they are harmful. Plan B is not harmful.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it may take several weeks for a 15 year old to tell her parents that she is having sex and may be pregnant? Or does she just take it every time she has sex, just to be on the safe side? What about 14,13,12, and 11 year olds? Shouldn't they be included as well. They are all also minors so what's the difference?
    The law has a standing tradition of affording a measure of rights to individuals who will be of-age to enjoy those rights in full within a year.

    Why the number 15, and not 14 or 13, etc: That number is associated with the age of consent. It's general practice to afford at least partial rights to a minor within a year of being of-age for those rights. A 17 y/o who runs away, for example, will not be brought back since they will be legally able to live on their own within a year. Likewise, affording a 15 y/o to access Plan-B is because the age of consent for sex is 16. 14 years old is not within a year of the age of consent, so 14 was not selected.

    It's an imperfect system, but it's the best we can do with the knowledge we have.

    Yes, this regulation would remove a parental authority over the control of minor children, but it's an authority that parent was going to lose within a year anyway.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Looking back on my situation in life as a teen, I knew many adults who would have sympathized with my desire to have Plan-B just in case. Adults could have bought it for me, a classic straw-perches.

    I don't think parental consent should be required because this is morally identical to NyQuil.
    when your a minor, .......you need consent.

    a hospital would want consent, of an adult if a child were to seek treatment.

    today, you have schools that will not give students aspirin, unless the parents is contacted and approve of it.

    this ruling, in designed to get around parents so this drug can be distributed to a minor without a parents knowledge.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when your a minor, .......you need consent.
    Not always, no.

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    a hospital would want consent, of an adult if a child were to seek treatment.
    Yes, but this is not a procedure, it's a non-prescription pill.

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    today, you have schools that will not give students aspirin, unless the parents is contacted and approve of it.
    Schools, not pharmacies. No one is asking that schools give out Plan-B.

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    this ruling, in designed to get around parents so this drug can be distributed to a minor without a parents knowledge.
    Yes, and that's ok.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when your a minor, .......you need consent.
    Not for Plan B
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    it would make to difference to some of you if they lowered the age to 12.

    you dont want parents to know their children are taking these drugs, and that is the simple that.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it would make to difference to some of you if they lowered the age to 12.

    you dont want parents to know their children are taking these drugs, and that is the simple that.
    I wouldn't make a difference to me

    If it makes a difference to any parent, then they should parent their child, and not expect the govt to do it for them
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    15 year olds having unprotected sex can also be complicated. If "the school, internet, peers, commercials, Planed Parenthood" hasn't already told her that unprotected sex is unwise they have already failed her. You appear to feel these groups can offer information that parents can't, and unjustifiably.
    The question posed to me stipulated that the parents weren't providing the information. I strongly agree with you, that parents are generally the best source for socializing and information that children have. IMO parents should work to maintain an open door and be approachable to their children. I firmly believe that children who have approachable parents will go to their parent with this kind of problem and this policy change will do little if anything to alter that relationship.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    it would make to difference to some of you if they lowered the age to 12.

    you dont want parents to know their children are taking these drugs, and that is the simple that.
    If this were about abortion I would be right there with you, because an abortion is an invasive procedure and even 17 year-olds have to get consent for any other kind of procedure, or hell even an ear piercing or tattoo.

    However, Plan-B is just a pill, and it does not cause an abortion, so I see no ethical dilemma in allowing 15 year-olds access to it.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    not expect the govt to do it for them
    we will then apply that to all drugs and alcohol, and expect the parent then to protect them.

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