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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes because your rhetoric is very unclear
    2.) yes i know this
    3.) yes i know this
    4.) ok THIS is where you need to explain. The FDA allowing it to be sold is not the same as the "FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them"

    are you saying the law is telling the stores to see them this even against thier parenst will and nonconsent.
    Ill need to see proof of that.

    5.) the rest of your post is pretty meaningless to me until you give proof that what you say is actually the law.

    seems to me the FDA just removed the restrictions

    if that is the case there is no parent rights infringement, no force for the child to receive this drug above the objections of a parent or harassment like you said and that was just hyperbole by you.


    ALSO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND STOP DODGING THEM LMAO
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?

    here is the key parts:

    is a 15yr old a minor or adult, the child is a minor, this drug has been available to the public for 17 and above without parental approval, but with parental approval under the age of 17, now government has stated this drug can be sold to minors, without parent approval.

    their are plenty of parents who dont want their child to receive this drug,.......... unless with their permission.

    the FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them, remember the drug is already available if the parent approves now we have the circumvention of the parents approval by lowering the age to include minors now.



    why does the drug need to be made available to minors,??????

    the drug can be already obtained if the parents want their child to have it.

    this circumvention of parents rights to allow a child to receive the drug the parents would not want the child to have, because AGAIN as i stated its available ..... if the parents chose it for the child.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    here is the key parts:

    1.)is a 15yr old a minor or adult, the child is a minor, this drug has been available to the public for 17 and above without parental approval, but with parental approval under the age of 17, now government has stated this drug can be sold to minors, without parent approval.

    2.)their are plenty of parents who dont want their child to receive this drug,.......... unless with their permission.

    3.)the FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them, remember the drug is already available if the parent approves now we have the circumvention of the parents approval by lowering the age to include minors now.



    4.)why does the drug need to be made available to minors,??????

    5.) the drug can be already obtained if the parents want their child to have it.

    6.)this circumvention of parents rights to allow a child to receive the drug the parents would not want the child to have, because AGAIN as i stated its available ..... if the parents chose it for the child.
    1.) lmao i read this already its meaningless to my questions and what you claimed
    2.) see 1.)
    so its exactly what i thought a bunch of emotional hyperbole and nothing else.
    3.) proof please, seems to me they just removed restrictions

    The FDA removed a restriction thats it.

    4.) why does anything

    5.) yes i read that, this is also meaningless to my questions and the things you said

    6.) no rights were circumvented, the parent still has the right to not allow their child access unless you can show me a law that says otherwise lol


    anyway its just like i though, no rights are violated, there is zero force, there is zero harassment.

    you ready to answer the questions yet or you going to keep dodging them?
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) lmao i read this already its meaningless to my questions and what you claimed
    2.) see 1.)
    so its exactly what i thought a bunch of emotional hyperbole and nothing else.
    3.) proof please, seems to me they just removed restrictions

    The FDA removed a restriction thats it.

    4.) why does anything

    5.) yes i read that, this is also meaningless to my questions and the things you said

    6.) no rights were circumvented, the parent still has the right to not allow their child access unless you can show me a law that says otherwise lol


    anyway its just like i though, no rights are violated, there is zero force, there is zero harassment.

    you ready to answer the questions yet or you going to keep dodging them?
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?

    is the drug available to minors already?...........yes, with the parents approval

    will the drug be available (by this ruling) to minors .......without a parents approval............yes!

    circumvention! of parents who dont approve of it for their child.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    why does the drug need to be made available to minors,?
    The reasoning behind the change is to remove delays in receiving the drug. Time is of the essence and a minor navigating parental consent could end up pregnant.

    It's not about the parent giving a yes or no, it's about the clock that starts counting down at the moment of ejaculation, not the next day when the girl realizes she has a problem to deal with, works up the courage to talk to her parents, and then more time is wasted as the parents work through the drama of what she was doing, where at, with whom, etc, etc. All of that creates delays. Lowering the age is about removing the delay.

    If she can buy it herself, then the problem is simplified. She only needs to worry about getting the money to buy it. On that note, if I were raising girls I would already have Plan-B in the house, sidestepping the whole controversy. If I were a sexually active teen, I would would find a way to get Plan-B so that if there was a problem my partner and I wouldn't have to worry about age restrictions, money, and parental consent while the 72hr clock is ticking.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    is the drug available to minors already?...........yes, with the parents approval

    will the drug be available (by this ruling) to minors .......without a parents approval............yes!

    circumvention! of parents who dont approve of it for their child.

    ooooh so NOW its just a circumvention instead, you are bailing on the rights, and force and harassment statements? LMAO
    nope
    the parents still have their rights

    restrictions were removed thats it.

    it was just a bunch of dramatic, biased, emotional, hyperbole by you that simply wasnt true
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The reasoning behind the change is to remove delays in receiving the drug. Time is of the essence and a minor navigating parental consent could end up pregnant.

    It's not about the parent giving a yes or no, it's about the clock that starts counting down at the moment of ejaculation, not the next day when the girl realizes she has a problem to deal with, works up the courage to talk to her parents, and then more time is wasted as the parents work through the drama of what she was doing, where at, with whom, etc, etc. All of that creates delays. Lowering the age is about removing the delay.
    its about what the parents want, because the child is a minor, ........not an adult.

    the drug is already available to the child ------->if the parent wanted them to have it.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ooooh so NOW its just a circumvention instead, you are bailing on the rights, and force and harassment statements? LMAO
    nope
    the parents still have their rights

    restrictions were removed thats it.

    it was just a bunch of dramatic, biased, emotional, hyperbole by you that simply wasnt true
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?
    we have seen in the past children, call the law on their parents, since this is a first of a minor purchasing a drug, ..can that child use force of law against their parents, because the government has deemed it a legal purchase.....who knows, but i would not be surprised.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    its about what the parents want, because the child is a minor, ........not an adult.

    the drug is already available to the child ------->if the parent wanted them to have it.
    Looking back on my situation in life as a teen, I knew many adults who would have sympathized with my desire to have Plan-B just in case. Adults could have bought it for me, a classic straw-perches.

    I don't think parental consent should be required because this is morally identical to NyQuil.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)we have seen in the past children, call the law on their parents,
    2.)since this is a first of a minor purchasing a drug, ..can that child use force of law against their parents, because the government has deemed it a legal purchase.....who knows, but i would not be surprised.
    1.) yes we have what was the outcome?
    2.) its the first? factually not true my 16yr old buys "drugs" all the time so again your strawman over this ruling is nonsensical and your early statements were factually not true. Do you not have the integrity to admit that fact?

    the parents still have their rights

    no answer the questions or expose yourself further and dodge them again lol
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The reasoning behind the change is to remove delays in receiving the drug. Time is of the essence and a minor navigating parental consent could end up pregnant.

    It's not about the parent giving a yes or no, it's about the clock that starts counting down at the moment of ejaculation, not the next day when the girl realizes she has a problem to deal with, works up the courage to talk to her parents, and then more time is wasted as the parents work through the drama of what she was doing, where at, with whom, etc, etc. All of that creates delays. Lowering the age is about removing the delay.

    If she can buy it herself, then the problem is simplified. She only needs to worry about getting the money to buy it. On that note, if I were raising girls I would already have Plan-B in the house, sidestepping the whole controversy. If I were a sexually active teen, I would would find a way to get Plan-B so that if there was a problem my partner and I wouldn't have to worry about age restrictions, money, and parental consent while the 72hr clock is ticking.
    I don't disagree with the points you're making, but it does beg the question - who is counselling these young girls about the Plan B pill and when they should take it, the clock ticking, as you say? If it's not the parents, who's giving the "child" the information?
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