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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I can't speak to any conservatives at all, but I wouldn't want my daughter having access to those pills without my knowledge and consent.

    And I do feel that the government is intrusive in the areas of privacy, which appears to be the case here.
    In what way?

    The intrusiveness seems to be favoring limiting access, unobtrusive policy would not limit access and let this be a personal, local, or state decision.

    The fed is not forcing people to sell this to kids, they are just not prohibiting it.

    Do you see the difference?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    The FDA went too far in restricting access to the young as a sop to the religious right, and not on scientific grounds. Their erroneous interference has been corrected by the courts
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why doesn't it make sense? You don't need a doctor to buy tylenol. On what medical basis do you make this statement?
    I understand the notion with women's rights and all that stuff....but when it comes to the point we're equating a pregnancy to a headache or sore muscles I think we've reached a problem.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I'm not a scientist, but I do believe there is some controversy or at least divergence of opinion as to whether or not the Plan B pill is safe for younger adolescents. Since it has not been widely in use or widely tested in lower age groups, there is no way at this point in time to categorically declare that the pill is safe. It can be subjectively argued either way, which is why the decision is ripe for political or self-interest influence.

    Bottom line, I hope whatever happens, young women are not harmed either physically or emotionally by these decisions. These are heady circumstances for any woman to find herself in, let alone a young teenager, and it's questionable, at least in my mind, that a young teenager has the maturity to be making such decisions without at least some adult guidance.
    "Pharm parties" remain a trend, and one in eight teens has taken painkillers to get high. No matter how comprehensive the sex ed., some kids are unduly influenced by their peers...and also by urban legends, such as that you can't get pregnant the first time. I can so, so see the same teens who are already indulging in risky behaviors abusing Plan B and affirming each other that it can't hurt.

    DES was safe. Now we know that not only did DES cause ovarian and breast cancers, it is also now threatens the health of their sons and daughters. So were early forms of "the pill"--until women began stroking out. Any drug that messes with female hormones is risky, and I can so imagine this new pill being abused, not being taken "rarely" or "occasionally" but, rather, frequently and casually.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ok
    not sure what has changed with or conversation and again, i dont know about this issue well at all
    so lets reflect.
    you dont like the excutive branch (FDA) making decesion about Food and Drugs, correct?

    and you didnt answer my questions, yet, any of them.

    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?

    I have these question because you keep suggesting force and "parent's rights infringement" and im asking what makes that so and what makes this different than anything and everything else a minor could buy.

    i dont want to make my statement hard to understand, so i going to try to make it simple .

    is a 15yr old a minor or adult, the child is a minor, this drug has been available to the public for 17 and above without parental approval, but with parental approval under the age of 17, now government has stated this drug can be sold to minors, without parent approval.

    their are plenty of parents who dont want their child to receive this drug,.......... unless with their permission.

    the FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them, remember the drug is already available if the parent approves now we have the circumvention of the parents approval by lowering the age to include minors now.

    one question that comes to my mind when i see stories like this, if the child were to purchase the drug, without a parents permission, and the parent finds out and take the product away, or destroy it, can that child a minor seek action through force of law, to prohibit the parents from stopping them taking the drug.

    the reason i ask this question is because their have been cases where children have called the law on their parents.

    when someone is a minor, they dont have full rights to exercise, meaning they cant do things their parents dont want them to do, smoke, take drugs, drink, stay out late, look at sexual material....this is where parental rights come into play.

    governments... can mean local, state, or federal and just because a government has deemed this drug is for legal sale to minors, does not give a child a legal right to purchase it, over the objections of a parent or use it over their objections, by using the law against them.

    governmental regulations, do not override the rights of parents, concerning their children.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The FDA's record on safety is less than spectacular. We have an entire legion of lawyers that make their money suing drug manufacturers for defective products pronounced safe by the FDA. In fact, some physician friends of mine have told me on several occasions that "We don't know how this drug actually works. We just know it does." That was in reference to an anesthetic. I assume if the physicians don't know and the drug manufacturer doesn't know, that the FDA doesn't know either. When we expose our 15 year olds to a chemical abortion, we're exposing our youth to something of which we probably don't have full and complete knowledge. You know, if you're 70 years old and have largely lived a complete life, the idea of long term effects is somewhat amusing. If you're 15, it's not amusing at all.
    Except, sigh, that most 15-year olds aren't thinking about the future.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    It seems the Justice Department is now going to challenge the court ruling allowing under 18 yr olds to get the Plan B drug without a prescription.

    Justice Dept. to appeal judge's order on Plan B pill

    It was ordered to come into effect on May 5th, so now no change will happen until the appeal works it's way through.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    In what way?

    The intrusiveness seems to be favoring limiting access, unobtrusive policy would not limit access and let this be a personal, local, or state decision.

    The fed is not forcing people to sell this to kids, they are just not prohibiting it.

    Do you see the difference?
    By not prohibiting it they are allowing it, thereby intruding on a decision that should be known, accepted and approved by the family.

    Do you see the difference?

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)i dont want to make my statement hard to understand, so i going to try to make it simple .

    2.)is a 15yr old a minor or adult, the child is a minor, this drug has been available to the public for 17 and above without parental approval, but with parental approval under the age of 17, now government has stated this drug can be sold to minors, without parent approval.

    3.)their are plenty of parents who dont want their child to receive this drug,.......... unless with their permission.

    4.)the FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them, remember the drug is already available if the parent approves now we have the circumvention of the parents approval by lowering the age to include minors now.

    5.)everything below
    one question that comes to my mind when i see stories like this, if the child were to purchase the drug, without a parents permission, and the parent finds out and take the product away, or destroy it, can that child a minor seek action through force of law, to prohibit the parents from stopping them taking the drug.

    the reason i ask this question is because their have been cases where children have called the law on their parents.

    when someone is a minor, they dont have full rights to exercise, meaning they cant do things their parents dont want them to do, take drugs, drink, stay out late, look at sexual material....this is where parental rights come into play.

    governments... can mean local, state, or federal and just because a government has deemed this drug is for legal sale to minors, does not give a child a legal right to purchase it, over the objections of a parent or use it over their objections, by using the law against them.

    governmental regulations, do not override the rights of parents, concerning their children.
    1.) yes because your rhetoric is very unclear
    2.) yes i know this
    3.) yes i know this
    4.) ok THIS is where you need to explain. The FDA allowing it to be sold is not the same as the "FDA instructing people /business, to sell this drug to minors who's parents dont want it sold to them"

    are you saying the law is telling the stores to see them this even against thier parenst will and nonconsent.
    Ill need to see proof of that.

    5.) the rest of your post is pretty meaningless to me until you give proof that what you say is actually the law.

    seems to me the FDA just removed the restrictions

    if that is the case there is no parent rights infringement, no force for the child to receive this drug above the objections of a parent or harassment like you said and that was just hyperbole by you.


    ALSO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND STOP DODGING THEM LMAO
    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    By not prohibiting it they are allowing it, thereby intruding on a decision that should be known, accepted and approved by the family.

    Do you see the difference?
    that is the opposite of intrusion
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