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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It only argued against wider access when instructed to do so by the Obama administration - I believe Sebelius and HHS originally agreed with the FDA position of wide access without a prescription until it changed its position. It could be argued that White House politics overruled the science but I don't dismiss the impact a former lobbiest for the drug manufacturer may have had in the original FDA/HHS position.
    true, but that's because the FDA's mandate is to rule on the basis of medical safety, not social issues. AFAIK the FDA, which this lobbyist is not working for (right?), is the one who decided it was safe, so I just don't see how this lobbyist had an influence.

    And even if he did, it seems as if his influence was a positive one. After all, the evidence shows that Plan B is safe, and the FDA's job is to rule on safety. If he influenced the FDA to rule it as safe, then all he did was to influence the FDA into doing what it is supposed to do - rule on safety
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

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    Not quite. The law doesn't allow the FDA to restrict access to any medicine on the basis of a social concern. The FDA is required by law to make such decisions on the basis of safety.
    The head of the FDA is a Presidential appointee. The head of the FDA reports directly to the Secretary of HHS, a Presidential appointee. I, for one, am not so naive as to believe that the FDA is never influenced by Presidential politics.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The head of the FDA is a Presidential appointee. The head of the FDA reports directly to the Secretary of HHS, a Presidential appointee. I, for one, am not so naive as to believe that the FDA is never influenced by Presidential politics.
    I agree. There isn't an inch of govt that isn't vulnerable to corruption. However, since the law is that the FDA must make this decision on the basis of safety, and since Plan B is safe, I don't see how anyone trying to get the FDA to do its' job properly could be considered to be doing anything out of line, even if they're doing it out of self-interest.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree. There isn't an inch of govt that isn't vulnerable to corruption. However, since the law is that the FDA must make this decision on the basis of safety, and since Plan B is safe, I don't see how anyone trying to get the FDA to do its' job properly could be considered to be doing anything out of line, even if they're doing it out of self-interest.
    Well, I'm not a scientist, but I do believe there is some controversy or at least divergence of opinion as to whether or not the Plan B pill is safe for younger adolescents. Since it has not been widely in use or widely tested in lower age groups, there is no way at this point in time to categorically declare that the pill is safe. It can be subjectively argued either way, which is why the decision is ripe for political or self-interest influence.

    Bottom line, I hope whatever happens, young women are not harmed either physically or emotionally by these decisions. These are heady circumstances for any woman to find herself in, let alone a young teenager, and it's questionable, at least in my mind, that a young teenager has the maturity to be making such decisions without at least some adult guidance.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I'm not a scientist, but I do believe there is some controversy or at least divergence of opinion as to whether or not the Plan B pill is safe for younger adolescents. Since it has not been widely in use or widely tested in lower age groups, there is no way at this point in time to categorically declare that the pill is safe. It can be subjectively argued either way, which is why the decision is ripe for political or self-interest influence.

    Bottom line, I hope whatever happens, young women are not harmed either physically or emotionally by these decisions. These are heady circumstances for any woman to find herself in, let alone a young teenager, and it's questionable, at least in my mind, that a young teenager has the maturity to be making such decisions without at least some adult guidance.
    Plan B has been used quite a bit in lower age groups. It's been available to young women in Europe for years. No evidence that it's unsafe for women of that age. And the FDA doesn't have to prove that it is "categorically safe".

    As far as your concern with parental consent/knowledge goes, that is based on a social concern which is something the FDA doesn't have the authority to rule on. However, Congress is well within its' power to pass a law requiring restrictions on the sale of Plan B.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I'm not a scientist, but I do believe there is some controversy or at least divergence of opinion as to whether or not the Plan B pill is safe for younger adolescents. Since it has not been widely in use or widely tested in lower age groups, there is no way at this point in time to categorically declare that the pill is safe. It can be subjectively argued either way, which is why the decision is ripe for political or self-interest influence.

    Bottom line, I hope whatever happens, young women are not harmed either physically or emotionally by these decisions. These are heady circumstances for any woman to find herself in, let alone a young teenager, and it's questionable, at least in my mind, that a young teenager has the maturity to be making such decisions without at least some adult guidance.
    The FDA's record on safety is less than spectacular. We have an entire legion of lawyers that make their money suing drug manufacturers for defective products pronounced safe by the FDA. In fact, some physician friends of mine have told me on several occasions that "We don't know how this drug actually works. We just know it does." That was in reference to an anesthetic. I assume if the physicians don't know and the drug manufacturer doesn't know, that the FDA doesn't know either. When we expose our 15 year olds to a chemical abortion, we're exposing our youth to something of which we probably don't have full and complete knowledge. You know, if you're 70 years old and have largely lived a complete life, the idea of long term effects is somewhat amusing. If you're 15, it's not amusing at all.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Lots of 15 year olds have state issued photo ID's do they?
    My 9 and 11 year-olds do. They've had state IDs for years. There's no special trick involved, it's the same process as for anyone else, if you can just get them to sit still for a camera.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And yet it seems they want to involve themselves in every other area of a person's life.

    There really doesn't seem to be any philosophical consistency here.
    I am not saying the policy directive took the federal government out of the equation, quite the opposite, when the administration ruled counter to the science that the drug would not be available to anyone under 17 without a prescription, and now 15. The administration DID intervene counter to the science, but the irony is that the administration is being lambasted by conservatives for not intervening MORE.

    The court decision took the federal government out of the equation by ruling against ANY age limit.

    I am curious what conservatives really want, no federal interference, more federal interference, or just any opportunity to criticize the administration?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    I am not saying the policy directive took the federal government out of the equation, quite the opposite, when the administration ruled counter to the science that the drug would not be available to anyone under 17 without a prescription, and now 15. The administration DID intervene counter to the science, but the irony is that the administration is being lambasted by conservatives for not intervening MORE.

    The court decision took the federal government out of the equation by ruling against ANY age limit.

    I am curious what conservatives really want, no federal interference, more federal interference, or just any opportunity to criticize the administration?
    You'll have to find those conservatives and ask them. There has been no lambasting from this one.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    I am not saying the policy directive took the federal government out of the equation, quite the opposite, when the administration ruled counter to the science that the drug would not be available to anyone under 17 without a prescription, and now 15. The administration DID intervene counter to the science, but the irony is that the administration is being lambasted by conservatives for not intervening MORE.

    The court decision took the federal government out of the equation by ruling against ANY age limit. I am curious what conservatives really want, no federal interference, more federal interference, or just any opportunity to criticize the administration?
    I can't speak to any conservatives at all, but I wouldn't want my daughter having access to those pills without my knowledge and consent.

    And I do feel that the government is intrusive in the areas of privacy, which appears to be the case here.

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