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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Cute switching gears there, from 'cant stop them' to " but it's not harmful.'

    Bobbing and weaving is just a distraction.
    I didn't switch anything.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Wonderful that you dug beneath the surface, sad that you found only what you wanted and not the truth.

    The FDA ruled that the drug could only be sold to people 17 and older with proof of age. A suit was filed in federal court that basically argued that since the drug was found to be safe for any age, that this was a capricious rule. The out ruled for the plaintive and required the drug to be sold without ANY age restriction. The FDA is STILL in violation if this ruling, but are willing to push the issue by making the rule 15 years old WITH proof of age.

    The FDA is being conservative here, but nice try.
    I don't consider it a conservative or liberal issue - my point was related to a lobbiest for the drug company being involved at the highest ranks of the Department of HHS. Surely, in a country the size of America, there isn't a shortage of lawyers who could fill the role of head counsel who didn't spend 10 years pushing the pill in congress.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Plan B does not terminate an existing pregnancy, no.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    No, it is literally a contraceptive, a conception prevention drug, just like birth control pills (same active ingredient), but in one larger dose to PREVENT fertilization. It will have no effect if fertilization has already taken place, which is why its effectiveness is reduced by the hour after unsafe sex.
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    Plan-B is not designed to cause an abortion. Plan-B prevents the release of an egg, therefore no conception occurs.

    Plan-B does not interfere with a fertilized egg implanting, so if a zygote is formed the pregnancy will proceed as normal even if Plan-B is used (which occurs @10% of the time).

    I agree with lowering the age, and I agree with making Plan-B available without a prescription, but it should remain behind a locked case. It is not the 15 y/o customer I'm worried about, it's the shoplifters.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the FDA is part of the executive branch, there is not no one elected to it, its run my appointed bureaucrats....who are not accountable to the people.

    they have no authority to issues any orders to the people, no authority over the rights of parents.

    this is another step of government outside the Constitution.

    as i stated to earlier, i have no problem with the drug being available, but government does not dictate to the people.

    the Constitution gave government no authority over the people at all.

    in following the constitution.... government has only authority in d.c. and were the feds and the state have agreed on, and that pertains to buildings only.

    government has no authority on private or state property to come and go at will and harass the people.
    ok
    not sure what has changed with or conversation and again, i dont know about this issue well at all
    so lets reflect.
    you dont like the excutive branch (FDA) making decesion about Food and Drugs, correct?

    and you didnt answer my questions, yet, any of them.

    -how did they violate the rights of the parents?
    -does the law specifically say the child must be given the drug if its asked for even against parents will and against non-consent?
    -why doesnt your example apply to to every store everywhere for everybody not 18?
    -are you suggesting that nobody under the age of 18 should be allowed to buy anything without parental consent?

    I have these question because you keep suggesting force and "parent's rights infringement" and im asking what makes that so and what makes this different than anything and everything else a minor could buy.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's an interesting point. The government interfering in your relationship with your child, telling YOU as a parent that it is okay for your minor child to take medications without your permission or knowledge. These are just children who are NOT yet self-sufficient, who rely on their parents for support, and again the parents are responsible for every single action that their child takes.

    I'm not against this pill per se, but just against the government interfering in a parent/child relationship in such a way. A nice little loop hole for them to use to be interfering nannies.
    again how does the government interfere with anything?

    unless this law says the store has to sell it to the child if they ask for it even against parents will and no consent there is zero interference. And the law might say that im not familiar with it but unless it does theres no interference. It dramatic verbiage he is using.

    by that logic every stor everywhere is guilty, should people under 18 not be allowed to buy anything with out parental consent?
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    "Likely" works for me too. I never said otherwise. I did say that it's a possibility that young women should consider...just like they need to with the Pill. There are always individuals who react differently than the majority of the population.
    And young girls' bodies are not the same as grown women's.

    We've seen before how new and perfectly safe drugs turn out not to be safe. And the same teenaged girls who are already behaving recklessly may not take Plan B as prescribed. There really is a potential for abuse, and I am concerned because we do not know what the long-term effects will be.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again how does the government interfere with anything?

    unless this law says the store has to sell it to the child if they ask for it even against parents will and no consent there is zero interference. And the law might say that im not familiar with it but unless it does theres no interference. It dramatic verbiage he is using.

    by that logic every stor everywhere is guilty, should people under 18 not be allowed to buy anything with out parental consent?
    It is now available to teens 15 and older without any stipulations for parental consent or knowledge.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is now available to teens 15 and older without any stipulations for parental consent or knowledge.
    yes and how is that different from other drugs available to 15year olds and every other product in every store and pharmacy available to 15 year olds. Wheres the force/interference.

    thats what im getting at.

    Unless this laws says the store must sell it to them this law doesnt interfere or force anything. The situation hasnt changed in reality, only that another product is on the list of millions that can be bought without parental consent.

    Status qou hasnt changed that im aware of, before this law products could be bought by 15yr olds without consent after this law that remains true.

    My question to him is what am i missing, it seems like a bunch of hyperbole to me. But i fully admit i could be wrong since im not familiar with this law.
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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes and how is that different from other drugs available to 15year olds and every other product in every store and pharmacy available to 15 year olds. Wheres the force/interference.

    thats what im getting at.

    Unless this laws says the store must sell it to them this law doesnt interfere or force anything. The situation hasnt changed in reality, only that another product is on the list of millions that can be bought without parental consent.

    Status qou hasnt changed that im aware of, before this law products could be bought by 15yr olds without consent after this law that remains true.

    My question to him is what am i missing, it seems like a bunch of hyperbole to me. But i fully admit i could be wrong since im not familiar with this law.
    I think you need to educate yourself on this topic before you continue to comment. Before the law was 17 years old, now they've lowered it to 15. They were considering no minimum age requirement at all, but apparently there was some outrage about that, so they made it 15. I don't have a problem with a 15 year old or perhaps even a younger teen taking this pill if they find they need to, but making it easier for teens to be participating in risky activities without their parents knowledge is NOT doing those teens any favors IMO.

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    Re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think you need to educate yourself on this topic before you continue to comment. Before the law was 17 years old, now they've lowered it to 15. They were considering no minimum age requirement at all, but apparently there was some outrage about that, so they made it 15. I don't have a problem with a 15 year old or perhaps even a younger teen taking this pill if they find they need to, but making it easier for teens to be participating in risky activities without their parents knowledge is NOT doing those teens any favors IMO.

    no im fully aware of that part of the change that has no impact on my question.
    And your opinion above is also fine by me but it too doesnt address what my post is about.

    Wheres the interference, wheres the force, what parental rights are being taken away. I know YOU didnt say that but thats what my post was questioning.

    my questions are about the seemingly nonsensical remarks he made about "forcing parents" and "inferring" and "against parents will".

    This law to my knowledge doesnt factually do any of that.

    what did it change as far as parents rights and will goes. what did it force on them?
    Like i said all this law did is add another product to the list of millions that can be bought by a 15yr old.
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