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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the FDA is part of the executive branch, there is not no one elected to it, its run my appointed bureaucrats....who are not accountable to the people.

    they have no authority to issues any orders to the people, no authority over the rights of parents.

    this is another step of government outside the Constitution.

    as i stated to earlier, i have no problem with the drug being available, but government does not dictate to the people.

    the Constitution gave government no authority over the people at all.

    in following the constitution.... government has only authority in d.c. and were the feds and the state have agreed on, and that pertains to buildings only.

    government has no authority on private or state property to come and go at will and harass the people.
    You've got it backwards. The FDA isn't issuing orders; they're revoking them

    Until now, the FDA prevented vendors from selling MAP's to teens without a prescription. Now. the vendor has their constitutional freedom to sell it to teens.
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    He wants the govt to decide who can buy what.

    Some people will justify unlimited amounts of govt power so long as it is consistent with their moral code
    well its simple, i will explain it to you, government has no authority to say to parents, ...your child can buy this drug, because we say its OK.

    if the government chooses to say the purchase of alcohol is OK for a 15 yr, does that make make it legal to go over parents heads, if they dont wish it sold to their children

    because a 15 yr old cannot vote, be in the military, carry a firearms, society has determined, that children below 18 are not responsible enough to exercise those rights in a responsible manner so their parents act for them.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You've got it backwards. The FDA isn't issuing orders; they're revoking them

    Until now, the FDA prevented vendors from selling MAP's to teens without a prescription. Now. the vendor has their constitutional freedom to sell it to teens.
    really.....i guess i will take my 15 yr old kid down the local gun shop, and let them exercise their constitutional freedom to sell to my kid a pistol.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well its simple, i will explain it to you, government has no authority to say to parents, ...your child can buy this drug, because we say its OK.
    The govt isn't saying anything to parents. This decision has nothing to do with the govt saying anything to parent.

    if the government chooses to say the purchase of alcohol is OK for a 15 yr, does that make make it legal to go over parents heads, if they dont wish it sold to their children

    because a 15 yr old cannot vote, be in the military, carry a firearms, society has determined, that children below 18 are not responsible enough to exercise those rights in a responsible manner so their parents act for them.
    The age of consent laws in the various states proves that you're wrong about this.
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really.....i guess i will take my 15 yr old kid down the local gun shop, and let them exercise their constitutional freedom to sell to my kid a pistol.
    Where does the constitution say the govt can prohibit the selling of guns, or contraception, to anyone?
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's not "overdoses" of anything. According to what I've read, it is not possible to overdose on Plan B, nor does it do any damage to a woman's fertility. The side effects are unpleasant, but nothing more
    Didn't see 'overdose' in there once.

    And changing a woman's hormonal balance repeatedly can indeed affect her fertility.

    So again....you implied it was the same as aspirin, ibuprophen, etc. Please try to remain linear in some way.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Didn't see 'overdose' in there once.
    Exactly!

    They listed the effects of this. I didn't see "death" anywhere



    And changing a woman's hormonal balance repeatedly can indeed affect her fertility.
    We aren't talking about what some unspecified hormone can do. We're talking about a specific drug, and there is no evidence that it can affect a woman's fertility


    So again....you implied it was the same as aspirin, ibuprophen, etc. Please try to remain linear in some way.
    Actually, it's not exactly like those. From the evidence I've seen, it's much safer than aspirin, ibuprofen, etc
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't support giving parents that authority. My own parents were pro-life and I'm pro-choice. I wasn't sexually active as a teenager, but if I was and needed my parents' permission to get the morning after pill, I can guarantee you they'd say no. Same goes for an abortion. Besides which, my parents finding out I had pre-marital sex would lead to great shame and potential disownment. My reproductive status is none of their business.

    If they're mature enough to be having sex and maybe get pregnant, then they're mature enough to use the morning after pill.

    My only concern is the lack of research about this pill for girls at age 15. But the FDA has been wreckless in recent years, so they'll just let the public experiment until something goes wrong and then modify the drug policy, as usual.
    I disagree pretty strongly. Until a kid is out of their parents' house, the parents should have authority over any medical decisions. Even a teenager's sexual activity is a parent's business, especially since a 15 year-old is practically incapable of independently raising a child if they or a partner gets pregnant. Just because a teen knows how to have sex doesn't mean they're mature enough to be having sex.
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    No not at all. But is it really her parents' choice whether or not she becomes implanted? I agree that sex is serious business and people should have a level head about it, but if a 15 year old is undertaking the seriousness of having sex then shouldn't she also be given the freedom to choose the MAP if she's exposed to insemination?

    I don't see how leaving it up to the parents is efficient, since the MAP is very time sensitive. If her parents say no then she could end up pregnant.



    I've seen no evidence that the MAP can cause death.



    Actually, it's not getting pregnant. Pregnancy occurs at implantation. The MAP disrupts implantation. The whole point of taking it is to NOT get pregnant.

    I think the risks are being overblown here. I mean, the long-term studies are not out, but the MAP does not adversely affect women older than 15; and it's one to two doses max. It's not a long-term supplement.



    No you're not hitting a sore spot, I just don't find your arguments very convincing. Teens have bad judgment so... if they use bad judgment and risk potential pregnancy, we shouldn't let them use good judgment and get the MAP to maybe prevent a pregnancy they're unprepared for?

    Can you demonstrate that the MAP is bad judgment? That's the hole in your argument that I'm not quite understanding. AFAIK there's no such thing as MAP abuse.
    Getting pregnant to begin with is the first indication of poor judgement. Not facing up to one's mistakes and attempting to hiding it from parents....more poor judgment. Oh, afraid of punishment? If you are old enough to have sex, you are old enough to face up to your responsibilities....like not lying to your family.

    And again...sure, it's safe for most...but not for all and if there are side effects, that leads to more lying or hiding it...which can lead to serious health issues if ignored.

    Teens will just pop these things more to escape the consequences of their actions than consider the possible affects on their health.

    And believe me, I am the LAST person who encourages more humans on this planet. I am looking at this with the overall picture in view: lie and have sex, be stupid and get pregnant, lie and take pill to fix, and maybe hide complications and get sick or die.

    With no prescription or permission required, girls can do this over and over. I guess I shouldn't care that anyone this stupid does become infertile or even die.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Where does the constitution say the govt can prohibit the selling of guns, or contraception, to anyone?
    my point is, that if a child can buy drugs (this drug is not an aspirin), why can they not buy a weapon?

    the answer is simple the 15yr old is a child, and is not fully responsible to own a weapon, or take drugs.

    the government is lowering the age of purchase to a minor., minors are under the supervision of adults at that age.

    question ?....if my child wishes to purchase the drug, without my approval, but i use my parental rights to stop my child, can the government take action against me?

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