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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which is why everything should require a prescription and a letter of approval from their parents
    Yes, that's right. Everything should for no better reason than to prove your argument is right

    Or, there are legitimate health reasons. Hmmmm. Gee, which shall I choose?

    "Many women have taken emergency contraception without serious complications. But it's a good idea to ask your doctor about possible interactions with other medications.


    Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

    nausea
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    fatigue
    headache
    menstrual changes
    dizziness
    breast tenderness
    vomiting
    diarrhea

    With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. "

    Plan B (Morning-After Pill): Effectiveness and Side Effects


    It is overdoses of 2 different hormones which, if overused (like as a contraceptive) can disrupt and damage a woman's future fertility.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Why does the same logical fallacy keep repeating itself over and over in this threat, unabated?

    I think it's a serious mistake to assume that you have total control over your teenager. If they are able to have sex without you knowing then are obviously living their own life whether you want to let them or not.
    So, from this you just suppose parents continue to step further and further away from their parenting role and teaching their kids better judgment and getting them through periods that could harm them? It's no different keeping a kid from touching a hot stove than keeping them from dying from side affects of a drug. Who says the parent will say no? Another presence if there is a problem, to call 911? What judgment is a teen using if they are hiding all their behavior from their parents, were dumb or careless enough to get pregnant, and now want to take a pill and 'fix' things?

    It's about judgment and again....teens are not known for great judgment.....sorry, am I hitting a sore spot? That is why we have ages of consent, which I wrote earlier.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes, that's right. Everything should for no better reason than to prove your argument is right

    Or, there are legitimate health reasons. Hmmmm. Gee, which shall I choose?

    "Many women have taken emergency contraception without serious complications. But it's a good idea to ask your doctor about possible interactions with other medications.


    Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

    nausea
    abdominal pain
    fatigue
    headache
    menstrual changes
    dizziness
    breast tenderness
    vomiting
    diarrhea

    With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. "

    Plan B (Morning-After Pill): Effectiveness and Side Effects


    It is overdoses of 2 different hormones which, if overused (like as a contraceptive) can disrupt and damage a woman's future fertility.
    No, it's not "overdoses" of anything. According to what I've read, it is not possible to overdose on Plan B, nor does it do any damage to a woman's fertility. The side effects are unpleasant, but nothing more
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It was the FDA that decided to not allow Plan B to be OTC for young women. It was a judge that ordered that Plan B be made available OTC, so the facts show that this appointment had nothing to do with it.
    Actually, the OP talks about the FDA basically accepting the court ruling without challenging it. Who do you think advised the Secretary of HHS on the matter?
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, from this you just suppose parents continue to step further and further away from their parenting role and teaching their kids better judgment and getting them through periods that could harm them?
    No not at all. But is it really her parents' choice whether or not she becomes implanted? I agree that sex is serious business and people should have a level head about it, but if a 15 year old is undertaking the seriousness of having sex then shouldn't she also be given the freedom to choose the MAP if she's exposed to insemination?

    I don't see how leaving it up to the parents is efficient, since the MAP is very time sensitive. If her parents say no then she could end up pregnant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's no different keeping a kid from touching a hot stove than keeping them from dying from side affects of a drug.
    I've seen no evidence that the MAP can cause death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Who says the parent will say no? Another presence if there is a problem, to call 911? What judgment is a teen using if they are hiding all their behavior from their parents, were dumb or careless enough to get pregnant, and now want to take a pill and 'fix' things?
    Actually, it's not getting pregnant. Pregnancy occurs at implantation. The MAP disrupts implantation. The whole point of taking it is to NOT get pregnant.

    I think the risks are being overblown here. I mean, the long-term studies are not out, but the MAP does not adversely affect women older than 15; and it's one to two doses max. It's not a long-term supplement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's about judgment and again....teens are not known for great judgment.....sorry, am I hitting a sore spot? That is why we have ages of consent, which I wrote earlier.
    No you're not hitting a sore spot, I just don't find your arguments very convincing. Teens have bad judgment so... if they use bad judgment and risk potential pregnancy, we shouldn't let them use good judgment and get the MAP to maybe prevent a pregnancy they're unprepared for?

    Can you demonstrate that the MAP is bad judgment? That's the hole in your argument that I'm not quite understanding. AFAIK there's no such thing as MAP abuse.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    According to who's rules? I'm a parent, the FDA (FedGov) is taking away my RIGHT to raise my children as I see fit.

    Hitler did the same.

    I'd also like to know if you are a parent?
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    I also have mixed feelings about this. I fully support a woman's (even a young one's) right to abortion and birthcontrol and all of that. My biggest concern is that some teenage girls will use Plan B as a regular form of birth control. That isn't what it is for and taking it too often could have harmful consequences. I hope that is printed in large letters across the box. Perhaps even have a public awareness campaign on it.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    While I agree with making Plan-B available, it's a drug which does need to be supervised. It's a powerful medication and as others have noting will be the target of shoplifters.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-01-13 at 08:26 PM.

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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    We are fast approaching the Borat Theory of Using Our Reproductive Parts. You can basically say it's the Lib philosophy... and it goes like this...

    If there is grass on the pitch, let's play! And if they think they've gotten knocked up, just let them take a jagged little pill.

    NEXT!
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    re: Drug Agency Lowers Age For Next-Day Birth Control [W:297]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, I think it's a good thing that the morning-after pill is readily available. On the other, I think giving 15-year-olds access to this medication without their parents' knowledge isn't the right thing to do. Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
    The FDA determined that the drug was safe for all ages BUT because of the nature of the drug, ruled that it could only be sold to people 17 and older. A suit was filed and a federal count found fir the plaintive and ruled the drug cannot have ANY age restrictions. The FDA has not followed that ruling but has lowered the age to 15. This policy is in violation of the ruling, so it may not stand.

    We'll see, but don't be so quick to blame the FDA, they are being conservative here.
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