Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says

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rocket88 said:

Point proved, thank you.

You'll defend anyone and anything if they're a Republican. Then you scream about partisanship. THAT's BS.

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What's real BS is bringing up Richard Nixon. It seemed previously that leftist history only went back as far as George Bush, so it's somewhat impressive that you actually knew who Richard Nixon was.

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The bottom line here is that we all know what happened, or at least a reasonable scenario of the event...And the fact that the administration is going to such lengths to cover it up, should bother both demo's and reps alike...It says a lot that there is an active cover up going on and the press is in on it.

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keymanjim said:

You read it again:


You're attacking the source, not the substance.

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Really? You're going to make me draw you a picture?



Pay particular attention to the sword so large I need both hands to hold it, the jealousy inducing chin goatee and the kickass bandana. Also know the incredibly large penis is being concealed because of the possibility of ladies swooning. Do you now understand I'm not attacking the original post, but rather the idea people are not allowed to question the source? I mean, if that fantastic drawing (done in MS paint, mind you) doesn't explain it to you in terms you can understand, I don't know what will.

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Slyfox696 said:

Really? You're going to make me draw you a picture?

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Pay particular attention to the sword so large I need both hands to hold it, the jealousy inducing chin goatee and the kickass bandana. Also know the incredibly large penis is being concealed because of the possibility of ladies swooning. Do you now understand I'm not attacking the original post, but rather the idea people are not allowed to question the source? I mean, if that fantastic drawing (done in MS paint, mind you) doesn't explain it to you in terms you can understand, I don't know what will.

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Unfortunately, what you don't seem to understand is that to attack the source is an ad hominem fallacy.

One of the few fallacies known better by its Latin nomenclature than its English equivalent, the Ad hominem fallacy occurs when one makes an issue of the arguer himself, rather than his argument. The intent is more than just to hurl an insult, it's the act of insulting with the intent of undermining the credibility or competence of the arguer, so that one simply ignores the argument altogether. So the intent is to get people to simply dismiss the argument without ever considering it.
There are valid forms of ad hominem - in the case of testimony, the character of testifier is the source of credibility for the claim. However, to doubt or reject a valid deduction based on the source, is an ad hominem fallacy.

http://editthis.info/logic/Informal_Fallacies#Against_the_Person

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So you can either debate the points of the article, or bow out in your utter defeat through the use of fallacies.

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j-mac said:

Unfortunately, what you don't seem to understand is that to attack the source is an ad hominem fallacy.

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But I'm not attacking the source, I'm attacking the idea you cannot question a dubious source. Geez, I even drew a picture for you. And it was a great picture too.

By the way, pre-emptively stating "but get ready for the bots to attack everything from the source..." is known as "Poisoning the Well", which is a type of ad hominem fallacy. So, really, you started it...and are kind of the only one engaging in it.

So you can either debate the points of the article

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I didn't dispute the article, I disputed the idea we cannot ever question the validity of the source (which, by the way, is NOT a fallacy, no matter how much you want to make it one, until it's actually used as argument in opposition to the original platform). So, not only did I not engage in a fallacious argument, you've shown you don't truly understand fallacies. But my favorite part of your post is the next part...

or bow out in your utter defeat through the use of fallacies.

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Considering you started this entire discussion with an ad hominem of poisoning the well, I expect your concession within your next post.

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Grant said:

What's real BS is bringing up Richard Nixon. It seemed previously that leftist history only went back as far as George Bush, so it's somewhat impressive that you actually knew who Richard Nixon was.

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Bunch of old farts around tonight.

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Grant said:

What's real BS is bringing up Richard Nixon. It seemed previously that leftist history only went back as far as George Bush, so it's somewhat impressive that you actually knew who Richard Nixon was.

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Really, you taking it out of context isn't BS?

WE should just start a thread with all the buzzwords that righties read for so they know how to respond.

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rocket88 said:

Really, you taking it out of context isn't BS?

WE should just start a thread with all the buzzwords that righties read for so they know how to respond.

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What 'context' could Richard Nixon possibly provide except as a diversion from "Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says"?

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House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) made the following statement in response to President Barack Obama’s assertion that he’s “not familiar” with Benghazi whistleblowers being blocked from telling their stories:

“A lawyer for Benghazi whistleblowers has publicly stated that the State Department is blocking her client’s ability to talk freely with counsel. Over the past two weeks, I have sent four letters requesting that this Administration make information available about how lawyers – who already have security clearances and are representing Benghazi whistleblowers – can be cleared to fully hear their clients’ stories. I have yet to receive any response from the Obama Administration.

“Even if the President really doesn’t know anything about someone wanting to come forward, his position should be that whistleblowers deserve protection and that anyone who has different information about Benghazi is free to come forward to Congress. The President’s unwillingness to commit himself to protecting whistleblowers only aids those in his Administration who are intimidating them.”

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Committee On Oversight & Government Reform

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Slyfox696 said:

Really? You're going to make me draw you a picture?

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No, you will accept that you have attacked the source and not the substance of the article.
As I have clearly pointed out.

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Interesting replies from the Leftists as they know Obama, Clinton & Co really screwed the pooch on Benghazi. They have no defense for the indefensible.

1. Obama & Clinton & Co. lied about the source. The truth didn't fit their narrative or the election. It wasn't a video as they claimed.

2. Obama & Clinton & Co. have lied about getting to the bottom of this... as they said they would to the families.

3. Bush has been brought into this by Leftists. Bush never would have left four Americans hanging. It's the Leftists who abandon our troops as they had in Benghazi and Iraq. It's the Bay of Pigs Party. It seems to be in their DNA. In Iraq the Leftists stabbed our troops in the back after voting to send them to war. Why? Political expediency.

4. The Obama Machine seems to have perfected issuing threats. They even threaten veteran journalists. If you can't get your way... be sure to use the full weight of the presidency to squash the uncooperative ones.

5. Where was Obama when he was informed about the terror attack on Benghazi? What did Obama do after being informed about the terror attack in Benghazi? Why didn't Obama take interest in what was happening and move heaven and earth to save the lives of those Americans in Benghazi?

Why all the lies?

Why all the delays?

Nobody died in Watergate. And... as much as you Leftists hate Nixon... Obama is no Nixon... Nixon would have sent immediate assistance for our troops. Obama... for him... I guess these Americans weren't worth it.

Obama loves abortion... and Obama chose to abort these lives.

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Slyfox696 said:

I disagree with part of your statement. The "who" is arbitrary, the why is what's important. We have already investigated the why and have already begun making those changes.

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I'm curious....

If a member of your family was murdered, would you accept the above statement from the homicide detective and prosecutor ??? You REALLY wouldn't care who murdered your family member, only why ??

I sincerely hope not, and the families of those murdered in Benghazi shouldn't accept it either.

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keymanjim said:

No, you will accept that you have attacked the source and not the substance of the article.
As I have clearly pointed out.

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No, I did not. As I have clearly said on numerous occasions and even drew a picture for you to use to understand. You can keep repeating that lie all you want, but it will never become true. For you to continue to insist otherwise is just silly.

Gill said:

I'm curious....

If a member of your family was murdered, would you accept the above statement from the homicide detective and prosecutor ??? You REALLY wouldn't care who murdered your family member, only why ??

I sincerely hope not, and the families of those murdered in Benghazi shouldn't accept it either.

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You've taken that completely out of context.

First of all, they are different situations. My family is not part of the government, nor are they intelligence officers. But when I said it didn't matter "who", I was referring to the fact it doesn't matter who in the State Department which dropped the ball nearly so much as why the ball was allowed to be dropped. I never said it didn't matter who was the one responsible for the deaths of the Americans and we began the investigation into the "who did it" almost immediately.

I understand what you're saying, but you were a little confused on what I was saying.

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Slyfox696 said:

No, I did not.

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Yes, you did. I don't know who you are trying to convince otherwise. But that **** don't float here.

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Slyfox696 said:

You've taken that completely out of context.

First of all, they are different situations. My family is not part of the government, nor are they intelligence officers. But when I said it didn't matter "who", I was referring to the fact it doesn't matter who in the State Department which dropped the ball nearly so much as why the ball was allowed to be dropped. I never said it didn't matter who was the one responsible for the deaths of the Americans and we began the investigation into the "who did it" almost immediately.

I understand what you're saying, but you were a little confused on what I was saying.

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Your response was completely expected. Duplicity and hypocrisy are common traits of the left.

Good to see you fit the mold.

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Grant said:

What 'context' could Richard Nixon possibly provide except as a diversion from "Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says"?

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Go back and read. The conversation didn't involve you until you decided to jump in,

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Gill said:

Your response was completely expected. Duplicity and hypocrisy are common traits of kool-aid drinkers on both sides.

Good to see you fit the mold.

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Fixed that for you

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rocket88 said:

Fixed that for you

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Go back and read. The conversation didn't involve you until you decided to jump in,

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Take your own advice.

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zimmer said:

3. Bush has been brought into this by Leftists. Bush never would have left four Americans hanging. It's the Leftists who abandon our troops as they had in Benghazi and Iraq. It's the Bay of Pigs Party. It seems to be in their DNA. In Iraq the Leftists stabbed our troops in the back after voting to send them to war. Why? Political expediency.

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As usual, someone what happened is someone said the word "bush" and the righties went into a tizzy. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama followed Bush's timetable for withdrawal. If you don't like the plan, take it up with Don Rumsfeld since it's his plan. Unless you're trying to tell us Bush was a lefty :lamo

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rocket88 said:

As usual, someone what happened is someone said the word "bush" and the righties went into a tizzy. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama followed Bush's timetable for withdrawal. If you don't like the plan, take it up with Don Rumsfeld since it's his plan. Unless you're trying to tell us Bush was a lefty :lamo

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It seems Obama cannot be held accountable for anything, despite being in office for five years. It always the fault of George Bush (and now Donald Rumsfeld). And yet I don't recall candidate Barrack Obama promising to continue the policies of George Bush and/or Donald Rumsfeld in any area.

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Grant said:

It seems Obama cannot be held accountable for anything, despite being in office for five years. It always the fault of George Bush (and now Donald Rumsfeld). And yet I don't recall candidate Barrack Obama promising to continue the policies of George Bush and/or Donald Rumsfeld in any area.

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God, it's like a dog whistle with you guys. Say "Bush" and we're blaming him....which isn't what I said at all. I'm sorry that's inconvenient for you that you have to respond to what I said and not what you wanted me to say.

Obama didn't promise to follow Bush's timetable, but I'd think you guys would be thrilled that he's following Bush's policies.

Put it another way - if Bush withdrew troops according to his own time table, would you be all up in arms?

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rocket88 said:

God, it's like a dog whistle with you guys. Say "Bush" and we're blaming him....which isn't what I said at all. I'm sorry that's inconvenient for you that you have to respond to what I said and not what you wanted me to say.

Obama didn't promise to follow Bush's timetable, but I'd think you guys would be thrilled that he's following Bush's policies.

Put it another way - if Bush withdrew troops according to his own time table, would you be all up in arms?

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Neither Bush, Rumsfeld, or Nixon matter.

The thread title says "Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says".

Do you have a comment related to the thread?

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Grant said:

Neither Bush, Rumsfeld, or Nixon matter.

The thread title says "Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Says".

Do you have a comment related to the thread?

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Oh, NOW the title matters to you....:roll: 122 posts into it, and you care about that.

From personal experience -- what a lawyer says often does not resemble the truth very much.

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The Prof said:

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Obama is bordering on pathological. A true sociopath, who wouldn't have any problem burrying this issue and using threats to keep the wistle blowers quiet.

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rocket88 said:

As usual, someone what happened is someone said the word "bush" and the righties went into a tizzy. In Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama followed Bush's timetable for withdrawal. If you don't like the plan, take it up with Don Rumsfeld since it's his plan. Unless you're trying to tell us Bush was a lefty :lamo

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You fail to understand.

The Socialists of Amerika Partei (SAPs) aka Democrats voted to send troops to war and then turned on these troops. They did everything they could to embolden the enemy... to the point the Sen. Maj. Leader ... Harry Reid (SAP-NV) said to the world... "This war is lost."

Morals and character were never the strong suits of Socialists... American or otherwise.