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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Intelligence missed? Are you nuts? A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired. We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event. I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered. I really don't give a damn about the political affiliation of any of the players in this. I want to know who refused assistance to these people and I want them out of government immediately. We take care of our own, and anybody who doesn't believe in that fundamental requirement does not belong in any position of governmental authority at all, much less dictating the fate of others serving.
    Humbolt, it's not difficult to remember that there was an election coming up, on which BHO spent one billion dollars in seeking reelection. If memory serves me correctly, he left the next day to continue campaigning for same. The priorities shown here are unbelievable, to put it mildly. I wonder what the Ambassador and the Navy Seals last thoughts were, as they were being murdered by cowardly thugs, as to why the help they were pleading for was not being sent. We'll never know, but it's a fairly safe bet they knew during their last moments of life that they had been abandoned by our government. Then to have Rice make the TV rounds saying it was because of a video? What the hell difference does that make...the fact is we did not send help when we should have! Rounding up the killers at this point doesn't bring the dead back to life, nor does it excuse our inaction! I will be interested in hearing the rationale for that injustice!

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Humbolt, it's not difficult to remember that there was an election coming up, on which BHO spent one billion dollars in seeking reelection. If memory serves me correctly, he left the next day to continue campaigning for same. The priorities shown here are unbelievable, to put it mildly. I wonder what the Ambassador and the Navy Seals last thoughts were, as they were being murdered by cowardly thugs, as to why the help they were pleading for was not being sent. We'll never know, but it's a fairly safe bet they knew during their last moments of life that they had been abandoned by our government. Then to have Rice make the TV rounds saying it was because of a video? What the hell difference does that make...the fact is we did not send help when we should have! Rounding up the killers at this point doesn't bring the dead back to life, nor does it excuse our inaction! I will be interested in hearing the rationale for that injustice!
    I agree. I'm not all that concerned with the obvious security screw ups that were in evidence before the attack. That is more reflective of a policy decision - a poor one perhaps, but I don't think that was the last nail in the coffin, and it's equally obvious that the Ambassador and the others didn't think so either. They knew security was bad, but they went ahead with their mission anyway in the belief that we would not let them hang out there to be killed. I want to make certain those responsible for the decision to abandon these people are never in such a position again. Actually, I would like a little more than that, but I'll be satisfied with that.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes. The who may be part of the why, but
    the why is far more critical. But unless
    it's your contention the who were deliberately wanting Americans to die, I think it's safe to say the problem was more with the process, not the persons.

    Completely false.

    Let's say the determination was made we could not afford extra security at the compound. Is that a "who" or a why? That's a why. If the request for security didn't get passed up the chain because other intelligence said we had greater need for forces in other places, that's a why, not a who.

    Unless you're alleging an intentional act of endangering Americans, the who is separated from the why.

    Yes, but why? What matters more, who is in charge or why they gave the order? Do you really need to know Person A, or do you need to know what we can do to make sure Person A does a better job?

    The why is far more important. The "who" is just what Republicans want to use to find more reasons to criticize the Obama administration. The who is political, the why is what's important.
    Oh yes, how DARE we ask for the President and his top Secretary's and aides to be accountable for their mistakes.

    Look, its bad enough your President disappeared after he heard HIS AMBASSADOR was under attack. He went AWOL, where abouts unaccounted for.

    But since you guys completely let GWB off the hook and only wanted to know "why" and not "who" to what ever contrived criminal accusations you could think of that day, I think we'll just sweep this whole messy affair under the rug.

    I mean Hillary told the truth when she wispered into the Navy Seals Fathers ear that day " We will get the guy who made this video.." and the fact that her committee to investigate the Benghazzi attacks is now under investigation, you know the one that totally absolved her of any guilt ? Thats just minor clerical errors I'm sure.

    Truth is, what the Obama administration clearly did was unforgivable, it was criminal and yes, they ARE going to be held accountable aside from your mitigations.

    When Democrats get wind that their constituents are becoming more and more unerved by this growing crisis, they'll detach themselves from this Chicago thug administration and agree to a special seperate committee with the power to call on witnesses.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all the dancing and equivocation
    What dancing? Has my point changed once this entire time? You keep wanting to talk about irrelevant things and I'm talking about what saves American lives. Who's dancing?

    and just like with Watergate, this could be the down fall of Obama.....So, in the end call it what you want, it is going to play out.


    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Intelligence missed?
    Yes.

    Are you nuts?
    No.
    A hole was blown in the perimeter wall weeks before the attack, and left unrepaired.
    And why is that? Are you blaming the President for this as well? Or are you saying there was a process which failed those in Benghazi?

    If it's the second, then you're arguing the same thing I am.

    We're going to hear from some witnesses to the event.
    What are they going to say that we don't already know? They're going to say there was an attack. They will detail the attack just as it unfolded on the video from the surveillance drone. What exactly are you hoping for?

    I suggest you go on a media vacation during that time. I wouldn't want your fantasy world shattered.
    What fantasy world is that? Are you saying I'm living in a fantasy world because I want to focus on what can be done to prevent this happening in the future?

    I want to know who refused assistance to these people
    No, you want to know why. Knowing who is irrelevant to the why.

    and I want them out of government immediately.
    I assume you want the same of any and all Congress people who voted for the war in Iraq? Honest question.

    We take care of our own
    But you're not. I want to take care of our own. You want to live in the past.
    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I agree. I'm not all that concerned with the obvious security screw ups that were in evidence before the attack. That is more reflective of a policy decision - a poor one perhaps, but I don't think that was the last nail in the coffin, and it's equally obvious that the Ambassador and the others didn't think so either. They knew security was bad
    I'm dumbfounded. You don't care the process failed them, you only care about blaming someone after the fact. Wow...

    I want to make certain those responsible for the decision to abandon these people are never in such a position again.
    You've already been told why the decisions were made that were made. So are you really looking for an answer you've already been given?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    heh heh ... I gotta admit ... you are the 1st guy I'd think of for that kind of expertise, given your experience and staggering portfolio and all.
    I see fallacious arguments made all the time. I make arguments which are could be called a fallacy, though it's rarely accused and the few times it has been accused, it's always been wrong. I find most people have little to no understanding of them.

    I love studying fallacies. I'll be more than happy to educate him again on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh yes, how DARE we ask for the President and his top Secretary's and aides to be accountable for their mistakes.

    Look, its bad enough your President disappeared after he heard HIS AMBASSADOR was under attack. He went AWOL, where abouts unaccounted for.

    But since you guys completely let GWB off the hook and only wanted to know "why" and not "who" to what ever contrived criminal accusations you could think of that day, I think we'll just sweep this whole messy affair under the rug.

    I mean Hillary told the truth when she wispered into the Navy Seals Fathers ear that day " We will get the guy who made this video.." and the fact that her committee to investigate the Benghazzi attacks is now under investigation, you know the one that totally absolved her of any guilt ? Thats just minor clerical errors I'm sure.

    Truth is, what the Obama administration clearly did was unforgivable, it was criminal and yes, they ARE going to be held accountable aside from your mitigations.

    When Democrats get wind that their constituents are becoming more and more unerved by this growing crisis, they'll detach themselves from this Chicago thug administration and agree to a special seperate committee with the power to call on witnesses.
    You REALLY need to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. It's simply amazing to me how far Republicans are taking this. Republicans don't even care any more about the people who died and they certainly aren't caring about making sure others are safe. That has all but been confirmed in this thread. All you care about is finding someone to shame the President.

    The mentality of some in this thread is literally to not care about other Americans who are currently serving, but rather attack the President of the United States. Amazing.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    Yes.

    No.
    And why is that? Are you blaming the President for this as well? Or are you saying there was a process which failed those in Benghazi?

    If it's the second, then you're arguing the same thing I am.

    What are they going to say that we don't already know? They're going to say there was an attack. They will detail the attack just as it unfolded on the video from the surveillance drone. What exactly are you hoping for?

    What fantasy world is that? Are you saying I'm living in a fantasy world because I want to focus on what can be done to prevent this happening in the future?

    No, you want to know why. Knowing who is irrelevant to the why.

    I assume you want the same of any and all Congress people who voted for the war in Iraq? Honest question.

    But you're not. I want to take care of our own. You want to live in the past.
    I'm dumbfounded. You don't care the process failed them, you only care about blaming someone after the fact. Wow...

    You've already been told why the decisions were made that were made. So are you really looking for an answer you've already been given?
    Amazing. On the one hand, you're telling me I want to know why, and then you tell me we already know why. "Process" is involved in fixing the damn wall? No it isn't. What's involved is locating someone to fix it, getting it fixed, and paying them. This may come as a shock to you, but that happens all the time everywhere. Homeowners and business owners do it every day. There is no "process" failure. The failure resides properly with those who refused to save four Americans when they could have. The way to prevent such gross dereliction of duty is to make an example of these morally deficient people. I would absolutely love for you to sit down with the parents and families of those slain and explain to them their loved ones died due to a "process failure", and not those who refused to give an order.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Amazing. On the one hand, you're telling me I want to know why, and then you tell me we already know why.
    Exactly. Thus my confusion on why people still keep thinking this is some big deal. Of course, you're confusing two different things, but I'm not going to explain it to you now.

    "Process" is involved in fixing the damn wall? No it isn't. What's involved is locating someone to fix it, getting it fixed, and paying them.
    Why did that not happen?

    Homeowners and business owners do it every day.
    I would hope you recognize the difference between getting a handy man to fix something at your house and what happened there...

    There is no "process" failure.
    Clearly there was, and that process failure helped lead to the deaths of Americans.

    The failure resides properly with those who refused to save four Americans when they could have. The way to prevent such gross dereliction of duty is to make an example of these morally deficient people.
    Okay, let's just get it out of the way.

    Do you think people in the Obama Administration wanted these four Americans to die? Either say it or not, do you think they wanted Chris Stevens and the others to die?

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Nobody cared enough to try to save Woods and Doherty. Stevens and Smith were already dead.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Nobody cared enough to try to save Woods and Doherty. Stevens and Smith were already dead.
    If only Bush had been president: he would have invaded Libya and spent another $3T saving their lives. As his Iraqi and Reaghanistan victories showed -- he cared about American lives.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Bush wasn't President; Obama was. Let's stick to facts.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Exactly. Thus my confusion on why people still keep thinking this is some big deal. Of course, you're confusing two different things, but I'm not going to explain it to you now.

    Why did that not happen?

    I would hope you recognize the difference between getting a handy man to fix something at your house and what happened there...

    Clearly there was, and that process failure helped lead to the deaths of Americans.

    Okay, let's just get it out of the way.

    Do you think people in the Obama Administration wanted these four Americans to die? Either say it or not, do you think they wanted Chris Stevens and the others to die?
    I'm not confusing anything. You are, intentionally. I think it's safe to say we are worlds apart on this issue.

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