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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Clinton is just one person to testify. Do you believe that the entire truth of what happened hangs on her words?
    Again, I'll ask if you have any evidence to the contrary regarding Clinton's testimony in which she said changes were already in the process of being made?

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    Let's say the determination was made we could not afford extra security at the compound. Is that a "who" or a why? That's a why. If the request for security didn't get passed up the chain because other intelligence said we had greater need for forces in other places, that's a why, not a who.

    Unless you're alleging an intentional act of endangering Americans, the who is separated from the why.

    Yes, but why? What matters more, who is in charge or why they gave the order? Do you really need to know Person A, or do you need to know what we can do to make sure Person A does a better job?

    The why is far more important. The "who" is just what Republicans want to use to find more reasons to criticize the Obama administration. The who is political, the why is what's important.
    BS. Let's say it was this or that. How about we say that it's whatever is the truth, and forget all the speculation. What's there to hide? Somebody didn't give the order to render those folks assistance. Who was it, and why didn't they give it? That's what we need to know. And in case you're in doubt, the president is supposed to be in charge.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

    And in her testimony, Clinton said they were already working to meet some of the recommendations presented.




    Yes, if bubbabgone doesn't know every person involved in the security process in the State department, there's no way we'll ever be able to figure out what went wrong. And you called me silly.
    You're tyng yourself in knots to try to say it doesn't matter who was responsible.
    Or ... to be more accurate, you feel compelled to shield Hillary or Barack at all costs.

    Okay ... So to you it's reasonable that Hillary needed recommendations to help prevent a consulate in a hostile Country from being overrun and the ambassador and others from being killed ... yet she felt she knew enough to repeatedly blame a video for it.

    Let's find out why she didn't know what the hell she was doing without being told and why she was confident about the evil video and why she doesn't think it really matters anyway.
    There's your whys. What're the answers?

    There's lots of other whys but you can start with those.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    What's there to hide?
    Exactly. Republicans keep insisting there's a cover-up...of what? What's being covered up? We know 4 Americans are dead. We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?

    Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again. The blame game is a waste of time. If there was someone who clearly violated the rules of their job, then they deserve to be fired. But that's not an issue for the national media, that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person. Let's quit wasting time trying to use the deaths of Americans as political fodder for the next election and let's spend the time making sure we do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    Who was it, and why didn't they give it? That's what we need to know.
    No, you don't. YOU don't need to know that. The people responsible for those who made any potential mistakes need to know. You don't need to know anything.

    And in case you're in doubt, the president is supposed to be in charge.
    Only if something bad happened. Whenever something good happens, the President had nothing to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You're tyng yourself in knots to try to say it doesn't matter who was responsible.
    I'm not tying anything.
    Or ... to be more accurate, you feel compelled to shield Hillary or Barack at all costs.
    Shield them from what? What exactly are you accusing them of?

    Okay ... So to you it's reasonable that Hillary needed recommendations to help prevent a consulate in a hostile Country from being overrun and the ambassador and others from being killed
    I think anytime a situation exposes flaws it's reasonable to say the flaws need to be addressed. Are you saying we shouldn't address the flaws, as long as we have a scapegoat?

    ... yet she felt she knew enough to repeatedly blame a video for it.


    Seriously, it's time to move on. Everyone knows it was not the video. You're bringing it up shows complete political posturing. Let it go already.

    Let's find out why she didn't know what the hell she was doing without being told and why she was confident about the evil video and why she doesn't think it really matters anyway.
    There's your whys.
    Yes, because THAT'S more important than finding out WHY the process failed the four dead Americans. Let's drop any and all concerns for our other ambassadors and intelligence gatherers and simply engage in a political inquiry which serves no purpose other than trying to gather future votes.

    That's what you want. I want to prevent more tragedies and you want to talk about a video. I guess that just shows where our priorities differ.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Exactly. Republicans keep insisting there's a cover-up...of what? What's being covered up?
    David Gregory of NBC's 'Meet the Press' asked the same question of John McCain. His answer was -

    "Of the information concerning the deaths of four brave Americans," McCain replied. "The information has not been forthcoming. You obviously believe that it has. I know that it hasn't. And I'll be glad to send you a list of the questions that have not been answered, including 'What did the president do and who did he talk to the night of the attack on Benghazi?'"

    And to leftists, the question is kind of silly in itself....If we knew what was being covered up, there wouldn't be a cover up would there? So the question itself is a silly dodge.

    We know 4 Americans are dead. We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?
    There are five basic questions that should be the foundation of any conclusive investigation. Who?, What?, Where?, When?, and Why? So far all we have is the "When?" and you want to brush it off and say it doesn't matter.

    Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again.
    Oh, NOW you want to focus on preventing it from happening again? So unlike the 6 years of "Bush lied, people died" mantra we heard from your ilk for 6 years straight...Wonder why that is?

    The blame game is a waste of time.
    No, it is one of the very investigative questions that MUST be answered to reach a reasonable conclusion, and prevent this in the future.

    If there was someone who clearly violated the rules of their job, then they deserve to be fired.
    Including the President.

    But that's not an issue for the national media,...
    What? Then you clearly don't want an independent, investigative media serving the people.

    that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person.
    So you agree that a special select committee should be convened?

    Let's quit wasting time trying to use the deaths of Americans as political fodder for the next election and let's spend the time making sure we do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen again.
    Are you kidding here? At every turn this administration concocts crisis built on the deaths of American's to politically get their agenda through without proper scrutiny, or questioning. Now, because it is not only embarrassing, but possibly criminal in its cover up, and lying to the American people during an election, you want to get out that big broom and just brush it under the rug....

    NO.

    No, you don't. YOU don't need to know that. The people responsible for those who made any potential mistakes need to know. You don't need to know anything.
    Our government serves at the consent of the governed....What we should, or should not know is a matter of our representatives in congress.

    Only if something bad happened. Whenever something good happens, the President had nothing to do with it.
    Oh, Boo, freaking Hoo! This President has unprecedented support from a complicit media. So cry me a river.

    I'm not tying anything.
    Shield them from what? What exactly are you accusing them of?
    Failing to come to the aid of American's under attack by enemy forces.
    Lying about the events of the incident.
    Covering up facts to further a political election.
    Lying to the American people.
    Stonewalling congress.
    Collusion
    Witness tampering
    Abuse of power

    For starters.

    I think anytime a situation exposes flaws it's reasonable to say the flaws need to be addressed. Are you saying we shouldn't address the flaws, as long as we have a scapegoat?
    It isn't about "scapegoating" anyone, it is about accountability, and transparency....When Obama took office in 2009 he promised that his administration would be "the most transparent, the most accountable in American history..." Yeah, not so much eh?

    [QUOTE]Seriously, it's time to move on. Everyone knows it was not the video. You're bringing it up shows complete political posturing. Let it go already.

    I believe that the maker of the video is still in Jail, No? pfft....Let it go.... How about you libs stop trying to brush the deaths of 4 brave Americans under the rug like so much debris....It's offensive.

    Yes, because THAT'S more important than finding out WHY the process failed the four dead Americans.
    I know you're trying to be sarcastic here, but in mockery, comes grains of truth...Because this is exactly what liberals aiding and abetting the President's cover up are doing.

    Let's drop any and all concerns for our other ambassadors and intelligence gatherers and simply engage in a political inquiry which serves no purpose other than trying to gather future votes.
    It is really funny, because this is the exact line of thinking of hacks like Lawerence O'Donnell on MSNBC are parroting as useful idiots of this administration. And that you, and others come in here and just regurgitate the same line of thinking is an astonishing exercise in recognizing the effects of propaganda.

    That's what you want. I want to prevent more tragedies and you want to talk about a video. I guess that just shows where our priorities differ.
    How? You can't prevent anything if you don't even want to know the truth....Nah, you're not interested in anything other than covering the lies of this administration.
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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    I would like to think that irrespective of their political lean, citizens would want to know the facts, which belong to no party.

    How did Ty Woods come to die the way he did on that rooftop? What about Glen Doherty? Why didn't anybody come to their rescue?

    Why was Susan Rice trotted out to all the Sunday political-talk shows to disseminate a lie?

    Is it possible that there was a cover-up whose purpose was to protect Obama's re-election chances? Were the American people misled, or were we lied to?

    Why has Congress been stonewalled? I don't understand this at all. Which facts are eventually going to be proven to be the ones that were so "inconvenient"?

    Why have Benghazi surivors been "sequestered" for 8 months now? Why are we even having to discuss "whistleblowers"? Why is this?

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Exactly. Republicans keep insisting there's a cover-up...of what? What's being covered up? We know 4 Americans are dead. We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?

    Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again. The blame game is a waste of time. If there was someone who clearly violated the rules of their job, then they deserve to be fired. But that's not an issue for the national media, that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person. Let's quit wasting time trying to use the deaths of Americans as political fodder for the next election and let's spend the time making sure we do everything we can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    No, you don't. YOU don't need to know that. The people responsible for those who made any potential mistakes need to know. You don't need to know anything.

    Only if something bad happened. Whenever something good happens, the President had nothing to do with it.
    We're going to find out what's been hidden. The stateside personnel involved in the decisions regarding Benghazi include the President, the Secretary of State, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and a host of other high level people. We expect a somewhat higher standard of behavior and judgement of those people than we do of the 4th grade crossing guard you're alluding to when you claim someone "might" not have followed the "rules of their job". And I, and every other American deserves to know why we left these people there to die. If you don't care, that speaks volumes about you, and none of it is flattering.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    We're going to find out what's been hidden. The stateside personnel involved in the decisions regarding Benghazi include the President, the Secretary of State, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and a host of other high level people. We expect a somewhat higher standard of behavior and judgement of those people than we do of the 4th grade crossing guard you're alluding to when you claim someone "might" not have followed the "rules of their job". And I, and every other American deserves to know why we left these people there to die. If you don't care, that speaks volumes about you, and none of it is flattering.
    Good morning, humbolt.

    Excellent post! There is little to be said for "hoping it doesn't happen again." It should have never happened in the first place, and the fact that a room full of people were watching it occur in real time is both frightening and sickening! This was not a make-believe Hollywood movie they were watching, this was happening in real life to real victims! :

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, humbolt.

    Excellent post! There is little to be said for "hoping it doesn't happen again." It should have never happened in the first place, and the fact that a room full of people were watching it occur in real time is both frightening and sickening! This was not a make-believe Hollywood movie they were watching, this was happening in real life to real victims! :
    Morning Pol. We put these people out there in places like Benghazi, and they're out there on a wire. The only thing that makes their missions possible is the threat of American force to back them up if needed. This failure is an extremely dangerous precedent, and we'd better deal with it now. That it's politically potentially ugly now is just a reflection of how bad the original failure truly was. I hope Obama got a good night's sleep.

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    Re: Obama Administration Officials Threatened Whistle-Blowers On Benghazi, Lawyer Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    We know there were fundamental flaws in the processes which were supposed to keep them safe. What exactly is being hidden?
    1) people that wanted to testify but weren't allowed.
    2) why did B & H continue to insist it was the video's fault?
    3) why did it take 7 months to show the picture of 3 main perps ... and only then we discover they were AQAP
    4) why did B & H make believe they didn't know anything about any of that and insist everything had been investigated and disclosed?
    5) what were the fundamental flaws in the processes?
    6) were the processes so fundamentally flawed that a S of S or POTUS should have known about them? ... especially in a Country whose Government they had assisted in overthrowing.

    Let's quit the political posturing and focus on what's important, which is how to prevent it from happening again. The blame game is a waste of time.
    You're funny ... in a selectively politically biased kind of way. Here's a rule-of-thumb for you to follow if you're so inclined ... ask yourself "Would I be so sanguine about the terrorist murders in Bengahzi if George Bush were president."

    But that's not an issue for the national media, that's an issue for whatever department is responsible for that person.
    Now you just look foolishly naive, but that can more properly be attributed to blind Obama loyalty.

    I think anytime a situation exposes flaws it's reasonable to say the flaws need to be addressed. Are you saying we shouldn't address the flaws, as long as we have a scapegoat?
    What were all the flaws? What has been done to address them? Who has been addressing them? How do you know they've actually been addressed?


    Seriously, it's time to move on.
    Classic. The mark of the truly desperate last stand.


    Oh well ... I'm sure Barack would thank you for going down with the ship for him.

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