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Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sports

Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

like I said...anyone who criticises him is a homophobe.

No, anyone who decides to criticize his career in this context is probably a homophobe. Do you have some other reason why someone would chose in this context to criticize his career?


their support for gays regarding marriage, military service, etc counts for nothing.

Who is criticizing his career in this context while also being supporting of homosexuals?
 
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Ah, you seem to have missed the thread. In the third post a person who has admitted to having no interest in basketball and has demonstrated distinct homophobic behaviors in teh past decided to speculate about his career.

you didn't reference specific people, you made a blanket claim: criticism of his career = homophobia

PS Even if you don't have much interest in a particular sport, you still can know about it via the simple fact you do things like watch sportscenter. In fact, I hated baseball growing up, but due to the simple fact that I watched sports center religiously at the time, I had a basic knowledge of what was going on in the pros
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

It's a win-win for Collins.

he has no contract therefore he has no worry about being fired for coming out. And if he doesn't get signed, he can always claim that it is because he came out.

most of us here are pointing out his lack-luster career to show that the latter is not necessarily the case.

Sorry Jason, the reason no NBA team offered you a contract isn't because you came out as gay...it's because you are 34 years old and were never a great player to begin with.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

No, anyone who decides to criticize his career in this context is probably a homophobe. Do you have some other reason why someone would chose in this context to criticize his career?

you mean besides the impact on his career being a big aspect of the story?
 
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Of course I do. And the only way of avoiding another woman form enduring the same experience is to make certain that no person feels that they have to hide their sexuality from the world. If we lived in a more accepting world, where ignorant people devoid of empathy didn't latch on to any excuse to call a homosexual a "scumbag" or attack them in some way, there would be nobody who endures what she endured.

But go on with your bad empathizing self by making damned sure that more people end up like her. It's sure to work.

Ah well that was all feel goody.. Color me unimpressed, but I happen to live in the real world, and that real world is full of people who find homosexuality icky. One might even say that this built in ickiness reaction is as legitimate, if not more legitimate than homosexuality itself. Perhaps there's a perfectly good reason why we are generally icked out by same sex attraction. Might have something to do with our predisposition to heterosexuality as the objectively normative state by which we proliferate as a species. Just a guess, but me thinks I'm on to something. Of course the homophiles probably won't agree, but I didn't really expect them, and you to anyway. :)


Tim-
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Who is criticizing his career in this context while also being supporting of homosexuals?

me, for one. or can't you read for comprehension?
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

how "honest" was he with his fiance of 7 years? ;)


You just don't get it do you. He probably was afraid of how people like you would react.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Why is it that many who ridicule those who view homosexuality as wrong, or sinful, call them homophobes? I suspect a lot of folks who are anti homosexuality are not fearful of homosexuals.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

With whom? Honest with a adoring gay media, or honest with Moos who he dated, banged, and was intimate with for 7 years only to dump her like a brick when he felt the coast was clear for him to come out. He's a loser, plain and simple.


Tim-

And you my friend just don't get it.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

You just don't get it do you. He probably was afraid of how people like you would react.

Was OScarB63 his fiancee?
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

You just don't get it do you. He probably was afraid of how people like you would react.

and that required he take advantage of someone like that for 7 years?
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp


How does that contradict my statement in any way? Oh yeah, it doesn't.


he may be a homophobic, but that doesn't make everything he says about the guy homophobic.

My argument is that his homophobia is the impetus for his criticisms. this is demonstrated by: his prior history. His admitted hatred of the specific sport being discussed. His choice to engage in a thread about basketball in the way that he has.

I suggest looking up the genetic fallacy

Why do you have the delusional belief that this is related to the genetic fallacy? His choice to engage in the thread in the manner he has engaged in it is directly due to his beliefs about homosexuality. He has admitted that his actions and choices have nothing to do with an interest in basketball , a sport he has professed to loathe. (which eliminates concern about the effects this announcement will have on his BASKETBALL career from consideration) What other alternative reasoning can you think of that caused him to engage in the thread in the fashion that he has? The alternative you provided, speculation about this career, is of no concern to a person who loathes basketball. So the only remaining conclusion is.... I'll let you mull that one over.

Narrowing down the possibilities to the only logical conclusion is not the genetic fallacy.
 
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And you my friend just don't get it.

No I got it, believe me. I got that you folks are so wrapped up in your rush to celebrate this turd, that you ignore the real implications of his actions.


Tim-
 
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me, for one. or can't you read for comprehension?

So then you of all people should be able to provide a good reason besides homophobia for choosing to criticize his career in this context.
 
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Of course I do. And the only way of avoiding another woman form enduring the same experience is to make certain that no person feels that they have to hide their sexuality from the world. If we lived in a more accepting world, where ignorant people devoid of empathy didn't latch on to any excuse to call a homosexual a "scumbag" or attack them in some way, there would be nobody who endures what she endured.

But go on with your bad empathizing self by making damned sure that more people end up like her. It's sure to work.

That reminds me of the poor soul that stayed with his wife for thirty years and out of the blue decided he was gay. Yeah, I was so oppressed I had to marry this woman and lie to her for thirty years. Right...

That excuses everything...
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

well...technically, he is not an "active player". his contract with the Wizards ended with the season, so he is currently an unsigned free agent. but let's not let details derail a good media hype.

Unless he's retired or clearly not going to play again, he's active. With the Wizards, he wouldn't be "active" come playoff time anyway.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

No I got it, believe me. I got that you folks are so wrapped up in your rush to celebrate this turd, that you ignore the real implications of his actions.


Tim-

He's the only guy to ever break up with a girl? Huh? I support that he became honest about his sexual orientation period. End of story.
 
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With himself about who he is.

BS! He already knew who he was. Probably for a very long time. Coming out isn't about being honest with yourself, it's about being honest with the one's around you.

Tim-
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Ah well that was all feel goody.. Color me unimpressed, but I happen to live in the real world, and that real world is full of people who find homosexuality icky. One might even say that this built in ickiness reaction is as legitimate, if not more legitimate than homosexuality itself. Perhaps there's a perfectly good reason why we are generally icked out by same sex attraction. Might have something to do with our predisposition to heterosexuality as the objectively normative state by which we proliferate as a species. Just a guess, but me thinks I'm on to something. Of course the homophiles probably won't agree, but I didn't really expect them, and you to anyway. :)


Tim-

You find homosexuality icky, yet manage to immerse yourself in threads about homosexuality almost constantly. Interesting thing, ain't it? If you find it so repugnant, why are you so attracted to it?
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

He's the only guy to ever break up with a girl? Huh? I support that he became honest about his sexual orientation period. End of story.

Breaking up with a babe because you can't get her to brush her teeth, or put the toilet seat down when she's done is one thing, breaking up with her after lying to her for 7 years makes him a scum bag! The distinction is worth exploring.

Tim-
 
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Why do you have the delusional belief that this is related to the genetic fallacy?

Because you're claiming calling someone a scumbag, for misleading someone in an intimate relationship for 7 years, is homophobic. Even if the guy making the remark was homophobic, it seems more than a reasonable basis to call someone a scumbag.


Narrowing down the possibilities to the only logical conclusion is not the genetic fallacy.

Yes, if we ignore the reasonable assessment of such behavior as scumbaggish, there is only one possible conclusion.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

You find homosexuality icky, yet manage to immerse yourself in threads about homosexuality almost constantly. Interesting thing, ain't it? If you find it so repugnant, why are you so attracted to it?

Oh please. I haven't been the gay forum here in months. Why bother, it's full of people like you. And PULLEASE, Tucky. The gay is everywhere you turn these days. In the paper, on the net, in the news, my gawd how does one avoid it? Your insinuation that I must be projecting = fail! :)


Tim-
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

you didn't reference specific people, you made a blanket claim: criticism of his career = homophobia

Actually, I said homophobia leads to criticism of his career in this context.

I also asked what other reason besides homophobia exists to criticize his career in this context, because I really cannot think of a single non-homophobic reason to criticize his career in a discussion about his homosexuality.

PS Even if you don't have much interest in a particular sport, you still can know about it via the simple fact you do things like watch sportscenter. In fact, I hated baseball growing up, but due to the simple fact that I watched sports center religiously at the time, I had a basic knowledge of what was going on in the pros

But if you hate a sport you aren't attracted to a thread about that sport in order to discuss the careers of players in that sport. Don't invent excuses for the behavior.
 
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