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Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sports

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Gimmesometruth said:
In the 2002–03 NBA season Collins took over the starting center role for the Nets and helped the franchise back to the NBA Finals. Prior to the 2004–05 season, he signed a $25 million contract extension with New Jersey for five more years.

Some "no" career.
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Professional athletes make a ton of money but that doesn't mean he wasn't a crappy player.

If coming out did anything, it likely helped his career. He almost certainly wouldn't have been resigned otherwise. At the very least someone may kick the tires and offer Collins league minimum for the novelty and publicity.
 
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OscarB63 said:
what's there to diminish? it's not like he took some huge risk by doing this.
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Non sequitur, you are trying to diminish his past and current effort.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, not only conservatives. But the vast majority complain about how the act of homosexuality is a sin, yet then masterbate to it. Just saying.
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I assume you can provide some empirical data to support your claims that 1. the vast majority of conservatives complain about homosexuality 2. the vast majority of conservatives masturbate to lesbian porn 3. those who complain about homosexuality are the same ones who masturbate to lesbian porn
 
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OscarB63 said:
I assume you can provide some empirical data to support your claims that 1. the vast majority of conservatives complain about homosexuality 2. the vast majority of conservatives masturbate to lesbian porn 3. those who complain about homosexuality are the same ones who masturbate to lesbian porn
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You're kidding right? Are you seriously saying the majority of conservatives do NOT believe the act of homosexulaty is a sin? I'll answer your others when you answer this question, because if you are seriously claiming that, then you are just being obtuse.

I
 
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Dapper Andy said:
Professional athletes make a ton of money but that doesn't mean he wasn't a crappy player.
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Everyone keeps making this argument, and I keep asking how is that relevant? He already admitted to being a role player, but i makes no difference since the point is he has come out.

If coming out did anything, it likely helped his career. He almost certainly wouldn't have been resigned otherwise. At the very least someone may kick the tires and offer Collins league minimum for the novelty and publicity.
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Has he been re-signed? Who cares? This is just another cynical claim that he did for the money.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.)well you are free to feel that way many disagree.
2.) I agree its not EQUAL on all levels to JR nor is he the talent JR was.
3.) as proven by media, this thread, his teammate lots of people. This would also be proven by the many interviews, articles, books, interviews and documentaries about form players talking about how they never had the courage to come out because of the amount of fear they had for thier jobs and the amount of bigotry they encountered in their opinions.
4.) dont think he wants a cookie lol
5.) you HOPE thats all it is and since he is the first thats exactly where the impact will be
6.) really? history proves that not consistent and remind me how many players, owners and even teammates shunned magic for AIDs and RUMORS of him being gay. This is simply not always the case but in 2013 its more likely.
7.) which would change the landscape since professional sports definitely has a stereotypical gay is ick factor to it. Again you have already mentioned ways the landscape will be changed.
8.) attributable? no, but could he be the first to prove it and change the landscape and allow others to come out even before the play in the NBA, yes its "possible"
9.) see above we already have 3 answers identified,2 indirectly by you
10.) IMO of course but i personally am still excited anytime equality comes to the surface.
11.) you are free to this opinion but many disagree :shrug:

personally i think its awesome, but hey thats just me, i wish it would create a domino effect and cause every gay person in pro sports to come out, of course it wont but it be awesome if it did.
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Equality? Please. It's a sport, not society. Is gay marriage all of a sudden going to become legal because of this? No. Will anything of any real impact change because of this? No. Nothing will really change, locker room will still be the locker room, individuals will still either accept or shun or ignore as they were going to do previously. Owners and coaches will still take the top talent regardless of sexual preference. It's a null factor, it really is. I wouldn't be so excited about a null factor.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Non sequitur, you are trying to diminish his past and current effort.
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past effort: 3.6 points per game/ 3.8 rebounds per game = journeyman NBA center. good enough to barely stay in the league but not good enough to earn a home with any team

current effort: 1.1 points per game/ 1.6 rebounds per game

again...what's there to diminish?
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Everyone keeps making this argument, and I keep asking how is that relevant? He already admitted to being a role player, but i makes no difference since the point is he has come out.
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No, you're specifically arguing we are wrong about him being a crappy player and have used meaningless Wikipedia quotes to bolster your argument.

He was a crappy player. It doesn't make him a bad guy but saying otherwise is just wrong.

Gimmesometruth said:
Has he been re-signed? Who cares? This is just another cynical claim that he did for the money.
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I don't think Collins did it for the money but the talk on both CNN and ESPN since he came out has been how badly it will hurt his career.

His play hurt his career; not his sexuality. If he is re-signed it will be because a team wants to kick the tires on his PR value.
 
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TheNextEra said:
You're kidding right? Are you seriously saying the majority of conservatives do NOT believe the act of homosexulaty is a sin? I'll answer your others when you answer this question, because if you are seriously claiming that, then you are just being obtuse.

I
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you made the claim...the onus is on you to prove it. you can start by defining what you mean by "vast majority"
 
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TheNextEra said:
You're kidding right? Are you seriously saying the majority of conservatives do NOT believe the act of homosexulaty is a sin? I'll answer your others when you answer this question, because if you are seriously claiming that, then you are just being obtuse.

I
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I would imagine the overwhelming majority of conservatives do not consider homosexuality a sin but that isn't the point, is it?

You claimed they complain about it while masturbating to gay porn and Oscar wants to know where you get your info from.

It seems pretty straight forward to me.
 
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Hicup said:
Well he couldn't be hiding too much. How is he supposed to get laid, otherwise..?? :)

Someone's gotta know, right?


Tim-

By the way is that what they call it? Getting laid? Not sure to be honest?
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I don't know and I really don't care what "they" as you put it call it. I'm just really glad for the guy. He has a ton of support for being honest.
 
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Dapper Andy said:
His play hurt his career; not his sexuality.
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yeah, his lousy 1.1 points per game this season hurt his career much more than being gay

If he is re-signed it will be because a team wants to kick the tires on his PR value.
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give his current performance, he has much more value as a PR stunt than he does as a player
 
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Carleen said:
He has a ton of support for being honest.
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how "honest" was he with his fiance of 7 years? ;)
 
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Carleen said:
I don't know and I really don't care what "they" as you put it call it. I'm just really glad for the guy. He has a ton of support for being honest.
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With whom? Honest with a adoring gay media, or honest with Moos who he dated, banged, and was intimate with for 7 years only to dump her like a brick when he felt the coast was clear for him to come out. He's a loser, plain and simple.


Tim-
 
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Dapper Andy said:
No, you're specifically arguing we are wrong about him being a crappy player and have used meaningless Wikipedia quotes to bolster your argument.

He was a crappy player. It doesn't make him a bad guy but saying otherwise is just wrong.
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This is you not reading what the argument that was countered, the argument was that he had "no career", I said that I would be happy having a "no career" at $5M for 5 years.



I don't think Collins did it for the money but the talk on both CNN and ESPN since he came out has been how badly it will hurt his career.

His play hurt his career; not his sexuality. If he is re-signed it will be because a team wants to kick the tires on his PR value.
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So I guess it is to be determined whether it hurts or helps his NBA pro career.....but that was never the point for him to do it.

You guys just keep missing the point.....on purpose.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
You can be a fairly unspectacular player statistically and still find a way to have a lengthy productive career if you find the right role. Yeah he's been a journeyman the past eight years or so but he deserves some credit for being able to stick around and get paid.
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Yeah but his rolls have basically been bust and bench warmer for his career.

I think it's fine if you want to support him in coming out but why do we have to completely re-write history and pretend he was something that he wasn't?
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, not only conservatives. But the vast majority complain about how the act of homosexuality is a sin, yet then masterbate to it. Just saying.
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God is a man. Therefore god lives under the delusions of all men. Hence, good suffers from the fantasy that all lesbians are hot, flirty, and just bi-curious

I went to seminary, brah~!!!
 
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Ikari said:
1.)Equality? Please. It's a sport, not society. Is gay marriage all of a sudden going to become legal because of this? No.
2.)Will anything of any real impact change because of this?
3.)No. Nothing will really change, locker room will still be the locker room, individuals will still either accept or shun or ignore as they were going to do previously.
4.)Owners and coaches will still take the top talent regardless of sexual preference. It's a null factor, it really is. I wouldn't be so excited about a null factor.
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1.) weird i dont remember saying gay marriage will be equal because of this. Seems like you are interested in jumping around and argue things that im not talking about LOL Weird this upsets you so much. So much aggression.

I believe even the article says altering the landscape of SPORTS which your question was about and NOW you have tried to change it twice lol
2.) sports landscape could definitely change :shrug:
3.) the people in those lockers rooms disagree with you :shrug:
4.) who said this would be different and why would it change lol
5.) again you are welcome to your opinion, the gay community, many gay supporters and many people in the NBA disagree. But its all opinion, besides venting your emotions im not sure what you are trying to accomplish or at this point even argue since you were all over the place.

Is there something specific you want me to say or agree too?
 
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"That faggot was a terrible player! We all knew he was a ****in' queer 'cause he spent the last 12 seasons sucking balls!", said all of the homophobes.
 
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Tucker Case said:
"That faggot was a terrible player! We all knew he was a ****in' queer 'cause he spent the last 12 seasons sucking balls!", said all of the homophobes.
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Seems rather odd that someone would try to tie criticism of his career to homophobia without actually defending his career. Kind off highlights what Zephlin was saying about not getting re-signed
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
This is you not reading what the argument that was countered, the argument was that he had "no career", I said that I would be happy having a "no career" at $5M for 5 years.
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And he had no career, as far as sports careers go.

You're only arguing this because he's gay and you're liberal. It's foolish.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) weird i dont remember saying gay marriage will be equal because of this. Seems like you are interested in jumping around and argue things that im not talking about LOL Weird this upsets you so much. So much aggression.

I believe even the article says altering the landscape of SPORTS which your question was about and NOW you have tried to change it twice lol
2.) sports landscape could definitely change :shrug:
3.) the people in those lockers rooms disagree with you :shrug:
4.) who said this would be different and why would it change lol
5.) again you are welcome to your opinion, the gay community, many gay supporters and many people in the NBA disagree. But its all opinion, besides venting your emotions im not sure what you are trying to accomplish or at this point even argue since you were all over the place.

Is there something specific you want me to say or agree too?
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The people in the locker rooms are doing exactly as I said they will. Some will make noise, others will accept, others won't care. Those fractions will change in time, regardless of this dude or not, and more and more will likely at least start to not care, others learning to accept, and we'd likely see a decline in time over those making noise. That's it.

There was no emotion. The specific thing I'm pointing to is that while you may want this to be something ground breaking and you want it to be this monumental event; it's not. It's media hype and overplay. The landscape of sports IS NOT going to change, well not because of this one dude anyway. It will do exactly as I said above as that was the natural progression anyway. You want it to be something it's not. You're the one saying it's going to be different, that we're changing the landscape. But there will be no change in slope of the derivative function, no discontinuity in attitude or acceptance; just the standard normal trend.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Seems rather odd that someone would try to tie criticism of his career to homophobia without actually defending his career. Kind off highlights what Zephlin was saying about not getting re-signed
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Why else would someone criticize his playing career in this context?

Who cares if he played great or he played ****ty? What the **** does it matter when the actual subject is that he is a professional athlete (a fact unaffected by the perceptions of the quality of his career) who has come out (also a fact where his statlines are irrelevant).

The only reason to bring up his stat line in this context is to denigrate him in some way. Why would people do that in this context? Look at who is doing it and the answer becomes clear. Lo and behold, the critics of Collins who have suddenly become basketball experts have almost universally expressed some extremely homophobic comments in the past.
 
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Tucker Case said:
"That faggot was a terrible player! We all knew he was a ****in' queer 'cause he spent the last 12 seasons sucking balls!", said all of the homophobes.
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he was a terrible player. the fact that he is gay is irrelevent.

In other headline-making, earth shattering, landscape of sport altering news... NASCAR pit crew tire changer Christmas Abbott comes out and admits she is female ;)
 
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