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Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sports

Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

But, but, in another thread we're told that gay applies to dudes only and with women it's lesbians. That's why it's LGBT and not GBT.

Ask any lesbian if she considers herself gay, and whether the word "gay" is appropriate.

Ask a whole bunch of them.

And then after every one of them, without exception, answers in the affirmative (even while considering it a stupid question, no doubt), you can come back here and admit you were factually mistaken. And no harm done! :)
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

never claimed it was otherwise. My only arguement with him is over the timing of his coming out. just seems like a guy at the end of a very lack-luster career trying to get a little noteriety and perhaps keep the paychecks coming for another year or two.
There you go again, if a guy isn't a superstar and said superstar does not come out at the height of his spectacular career, then his announcement means nothing....and he is just doing it for the money.

MEME.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Well you might be right there. I refer to gays as homosexuals, but that's just me. Either way I still think its funny that conservatives complain about how acting on homosexuality is such a sin, but they have no problem masterbating to lesbians. Just saying.

yeah, like only conservative dudes fap to lesbian porn :laughat:
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

There you go again, if a guy isn't a superstar and said superstar does not come out at the height of his spectacular career, then his announcement means nothing....and he is just doing it for the money.

MEME.


there you go again. I never said it meant nothing.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

I've already proved you wrong, and your embarrassed, I get it. You're just pontificating, frankly, and it's sad. I wonder what personality type you fit into?


Tim-

THAT WHAT I THOUGHT! lol

now you are just going to resort to lying? :lamo
my quote and your quote factually proves you wrong and no amount of dodging that fact will change anything :laughat:
Im the personality type that destroyed your argument and proved you lied :D

now you are desperate, post again! its awesome.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

It could also just be publicity by a mediocre player to try to bring attention and bargaining position to the negotiation table.

but that still wouldnt change the impact?????

if you want to say that maybe he did this in desperation, yes that is definitely possible (logical doubtful) but possible

but that wont change its impact, isnt that what we are discussing? .
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Well you might be right there. I refer to gays as homosexuals, but that's just me. Either way I still think its funny that conservatives complain about how acting on homosexuality is such a sin, but they have no problem masterbating to lesbians. Just saying.

I agree with you but also note that people can do what they know is wrong and still know it's wrong. Just because people sin doesn't negate that it is a sin (in those people's minds).
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

there you go again. I never said it meant nothing.
Really, you are not trying to diminish his action?

I guess you don't realize what you are doing, I suppose it is all a misunderstanding.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Ask any lesbian if she considers herself gay, and whether the word "gay" is appropriate.

Ask a whole bunch of them.

And then after every one of them, without exception, answers in the affirmative (even while considering it a stupid question, no doubt), you can come back here and admit you were factually mistaken. And no harm done! :)

That's not my position, my explanation, but came directly from someone from the pro-SSM side of the issue in another thread.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

yeah, like only conservative dudes fap to lesbian porn :laughat:

One would look a little less conflicted doing so, than the other.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

yeah, like only conservative dudes fap to lesbian porn :laughat:

Was that supposed to show a hypocrisy of liberals?

FAIL.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

THAT WHAT I THOUGHT! lol

now you are just going to resort to lying? :lamo
my quote and your quote factually proves you wrong and no amount of dodging that fact will change anything :laughat:
Im the personality type that destroyed your argument and proved you lied :D

now you are desperate, post again! its awesome.

Okay..

Have a nice day.

Tim-
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

but that still wouldnt change the impact?????

if you want to say that maybe he did this in desperation, yes that is definitely possible but that wont change its impact.

I don't really see an impact. This isn't like Jackie Robinson, and to me all the hoopla over this makes it seem that some want to turn it into such. He's gay, who cares? Does he want a cookie? Maybe there will be some locker room brouhaha, but even that will settle down. If you're good, it's not going to matter gay or straight because teams want the W, and owners want the $. Well they all want the $ too. There wasn't really anything to "break" here other than random people's attitudes that being gay is icky.

It's great that we live in an era where an athlete can come out and say he's gay without being lynched, but that also is not attributable to Collins. So....what's the impact? What's the ground breaking, earth shattering, we have never before seen an example of civil rights in this magnitude, impact? I'm sorry to say, but in the grand scheme of things, it's negligible.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Okay..

Have a nice day.

Tim-

i will, exposing people that argue against facts some how always entertains me, thank you. You do the same Tim.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Was that supposed to show a hypocrisy of liberals?

FAIL.

no, it showed the stupidity of your post :laughat:
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

That's not my position, my explanation, but came directly from someone from the pro-SSM side of the issue in another thread.


Ah, then my apologies. That person (even if he or she is homosexual) is flatly mistaken.

Lesbians certainly consider themselves "gay." If there is one or two exceptions to that, it doesn't matter.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

Really, you are not trying to diminish his action?

I guess you don't realize what you are doing, I suppose it is all a misunderstanding.

what's there to diminish? it's not like he took some huge risk by doing this.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

This should make the next draft more exciting though. Maybe the NBA is sliding him some favors under the table to gin up their ratings. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

He can play, as long as a straight guy gets to star on Ru Paul's Drag Race.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

what's there to diminish? it's not like he took some huge risk by doing this.

What I find odd with the people honoring this mans brave announcement is the seemingly total disregard for the character that he must be to date a women for 7 years only to ditch her hopes and dreams for the spotlight of gay-come-outism.

Collins' ex-fiancee stunned by gay revelation - NBA News | FOX Sports on MSN

Now, although he may be brave for coming out, what about what he did to this unsuspecting woman that loved him? Wouldn't it be more noble to NOT lead women on? Why enter a long-term relationship, show no signs of being gay, only to drop a major bomb on this poor girl.

Sounds like more of a loser to me than some gay hero.


Tim-
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

what's there to diminish? it's not like he took some huge risk by doing this.

Where's the risk? He wasn't fired on the spot and disavowed by his team and the NBA as he would have been 20 years ago. The only publically traded statements in the press have been that he is brave and congratualating him for coming out. AFAIK there's been no talk of cutting him or marginalizing him.

Not being the team or the one of the league's top players this can only work to his advantage - professionally speaking at least. He's still going to be the butt of locker room jokes (pun intended).
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

yeah, like only conservative dudes fap to lesbian porn :laughat:

No, not only conservatives. But the vast majority complain about how the act of homosexuality is a sin, yet then masterbate to it. Just saying.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

no, it showed the stupidity of your post :laughat:
Uh, it is pretty stupid to call it my post....when it wasn't.

Right back at you.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

1.)I don't really see an impact.
2.)This isn't like Jackie Robinson, and to me all the hoopla over this makes it seem that some want to turn it into such.
3.) He's gay, who cares?
4.)Does he want a cookie?
5.)Maybe there will be some locker room brouhaha, but even that will settle down.
6.)If you're good, it's not going to matter gay or straight because teams want the W, and owners want the $.
7.) There wasn't really anything to "break" here other than random people's attitudes that being gay is icky.

8.)It's great that we live in an era where an athlete can come out and say he's gay without being lynched, but that also is not attributable to Collins.
9.)So....what's the impact? What's the ground breaking, earth shattering,
10.) we have never before seen an example of civil rights in this magnitude, impact?
11.)I'm sorry to say, but in the grand scheme of things, it's negligible.

1.)well you are free to feel that way many disagree.
2.) I agree its not EQUAL on all levels to JR nor is he the talent JR was.
3.) as proven by media, this thread, his teammate lots of people. This would also be proven by the many interviews, articles, books, interviews and documentaries about form players talking about how they never had the courage to come out because of the amount of fear they had for thier jobs and the amount of bigotry they encountered in their opinions.
4.) dont think he wants a cookie lol
5.) you HOPE thats all it is and since he is the first thats exactly where the impact will be
6.) really? history proves that not consistent and remind me how many players, owners and even teammates shunned magic for AIDs and RUMORS of him being gay. This is simply not always the case but in 2013 its more likely.
7.) which would change the landscape since professional sports definitely has a stereotypical gay is ick factor to it. Again you have already mentioned ways the landscape will be changed.
8.) attributable? no, but could he be the first to prove it and change the landscape and allow others to come out even before the play in the NBA, yes its "possible"
9.) see above we already have 3 answers identified,2 indirectly by you
10.) IMO of course but i personally am still excited anytime equality comes to the surface.
11.) you are free to this opinion but many disagree :shrug:

personally i think its awesome, but hey thats just me, i wish it would create a domino effect and cause every gay person in pro sports to come out, of course it wont but it be awesome if it did.
 
Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

I agree with you but also note that people can do what they know is wrong and still know it's wrong. Just because people sin doesn't negate that it is a sin (in those people's minds).

Yes, we like to call that hypocrisy. Just saying.
 
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