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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    By that definition what you describe is an impossability.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I just explained it further in post #619, but the simple fact is that a national conversation must be a conversation which is had AS a nation about the nation, much like a team conversation has to be done AS a team, about the team.
    The distinction between a pseudo event and a real event is more dependent on actual level of importance. One of the examples of a pseudo event is the presidential debates. Where we know nothing new is going to said and that it will be a general rehashing of campaign material. Clearly "as a nation" it will be something heavily discussed. But its over all significance is still pretty low

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And boom goes the dynamite. Its individuals, not a national conversation. Thank you for admitting that you were wrong. I like to pay attention to the words that are present. Why do you ignore them?

    And Zyph, What Dr C did was move the goal posts. See how he moved form "topic of national conversation" to "individuals" without acknowledging the key difference between those things?
    I see what you are arguing now: No, that is not was I was referring to at all. My point was that a large collection of individuals might find importance in the topic. But that doesn't translate to a topic being of importance to us collectively. Issues on national defense are important to us collectively, because they do have an impact on our lives, regardless of how we perceive them as individuals.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Asante Samuel posed a good question. Why should athletes announce their sexuality? Should ESPN and SI do a spread every time a straight guy announces he likes girls? or are we gonna discriminate there?
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Asante Samuel posed a good question. Why should athletes announce their sexuality? Should ESPN and SI do a spread every time a straight guy announces he likes girls? or are we gonna discriminate there?
    I think there's a fair argument for ESPN writing about the story. They do tons of articles about athlete's personal lives that differentiate themselves from the average athlete. Like a huge series on R. A. Dickey climbing Mount Kilimanjaro last year. Jason Collins' personal life is different than the vast majority of athletes, so it makes sense for them to write about it.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Asante Samuel posed a good question. Why should athletes announce their sexuality? Should ESPN and SI do a spread every time a straight guy announces he likes girls? or are we gonna discriminate there?
    I was not aware that there was a culture in professional sports that was caustic towards heterosexuals. Wow, so a heterosexual athlete divulging their sexuality could lead to the end of their career or stigmatization in the sport they spent their whole life mastering? Your statement was just so edifying about the commensurate situations between heterosexuals and homosexuals in professional sports that I am truly grateful.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    False. I have been very consistent in pointing out that things which are not huge deals do not become "topics of national conversation". The issue here is that there seems to be a significant confusion on what is or is not a topic of national conversation. I believe that a topic of national conversation is very different than something which is known of or mentioned in passing nationwide.

    The really important words there are "topic", "national", and "conversation". Something which is mentioned in passing for a laugh, such as Kim K's vagshot, doesn't inspire a national conversation not is it a national conversation, even if it is occurring all over the nation.

    The only things which can inspire a true national conversation are things which have some degree of import in real life.

    So, no, the goal posts were not moved. I merely decided to not cherry pick the words and make them mean something which they do not.

    So, if you want to discuss what constitutes a national conversation, go right ahead, but don't make up some bull**** about me moving the goal posts when I did nothing of the sort.
    The person that decided to put him on the cover of the magazine made it a topic of national conversation.

    The White House Spokesman commenting on it made it a topic of national conversation.

    His coming out in and of itself did not, it is the medias and the governments reaction to it that did.

    it is an invented event, if you can call it an event, and people are talking about it simply because it has been thrust in our faces from unlikely places.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I was not aware that there was a culture in professional sports that was caustic towards heterosexuals
    You mean the WNBA?

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The person that decided to put him on the cover of the magazine made it a topic of national conversation.

    The White House Spokesman commenting on it made it a topic of national conversation.

    His coming out in and of itself did not, it is the medias and the governments reaction to it that did.

    it is an invented event, if you can call it an event, and people are talking about it simply because it has been thrust in our faces from unlikely places.
    It's only a big deal because it's a male, and the media has been looking for this for years...
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