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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Making it larger doesn't make it any more correct Tucker.
    And pretending that the word order doesn't affect the meaning of the term doesn't make it any less correct.







    Seems to me you're saying that a subject that is common to the whole nation in terms of their exchange of ideas [stated] by spoken [or written] words.
    The adjective did not describe the subject, it described the exchange of ideas. That's why word order, matters. National subject of conversation =/= national conversation about a subject.

    Something that is a national subject of conversation can be trivial, something that is a subject of national conversation cannot be.

    YOU stated your definition of what determines a "huge deal", got called for it, tried to move hte goal posts, and are now trying to talk people down by using BIG LETTERS.
    You failed to understand the importance of the word order. Your failure to understand the import of something does not mean I moved the goal posts.

    Sorry Tuck, try that grade school method on someone else, because you've debated me enough to know it's not going to have an impact on me.
    I use that "grade school" stuff on people who choose not to understand things, although I am surprised you are the person doing it this time.

    I've debated you enough to know you know better than to accuse me of a fallacy as a way to excuse the reading comprehension errors of others.

    I use words in a precise fashion for a reason. I am not to blame if you chose to ignore the precision of my words.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And boom goes the dynamite. Its individuals, not a national conversation.
    Boom goes the dynamite, really?

    Tucker, what makes up a nation? Individuals yes? Please, how does a NATION have a conversation other than the INDIVIDUALS within it conversing?

    You sound like a poster from This thread having a coniption fit over the fact that I referred to a group as an individual.

    Let me use the same type of analogy you happily jumped on board with in THAT thread.

    You can refer to the Chicago Bears as a group. You can also refer to the "players" of the berars. And in both you could be referencing the same thing. If I say "The bears sucked in pass protection this year" and "Individuals on the bears sucked in pass protection this year" there is nothing inherently inconsistent or divisie between those two comments.

    Your "Boom" was more of a bust.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

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    No, they weren't applicable. I wasn't the one making claim of factual impact already.
    Yes you are, you are denigrating the player, the sport and the possible impact now and in the future.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Lets keep the conversation on topic.

    The topic is not Tucker.
    He wasn't making me the subject. He was discussing my debate strategy. That's a perfectly reasonable tactic.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes you are, you are denigrating the player, the sport and the possible impact now and in the future.
    I am making claim of factual impact already? Well perhaps you can quote that.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Boom goes the dynamite, really?

    Tucker, what makes up a nation? Individuals yes? Please, how does a NATION have a conversation other than the INDIVIDUALS within it conversing?
    Again, word order matters, despite your decision to ignore it.


    Let me use the same type of analogy you happily jumped on board with in THAT thread.

    You can refer to the Chicago Bears as a group. You can also refer to the "players" of the berars. And in both you could be referencing the same thing. If I say "The bears sucked in pass protection this year" and "Individuals on the bears sucked in pass protection this year" there is nothing inherently inconsistent or divisie between those two comments.
    You are demonstrating an ability to comprehend what you read here, so why do you disregard that ability when it comes to the term "topic of national conversation (hint: That is not "national topic of conversation", despite your repeated attempts to give it the same meaning as that term)

    Your "Boom" was more of a bust.
    Your failure to recognize the effect of word order on meaning has done nothing to affect my "boom".
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    Res gay, altering the landscape of sports

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And boom goes the dynamite. Its individuals, not a national conversation. Thank you for admitting that you were wrong. I like to pay attention to the words that are present. Why do you ignore them?

    And Zyph, What Dr C did was move the goal posts. See how he moved form "topic of national conversation" to "individuals" without acknowledging the key difference between those things?
    I'm not following

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And pretending that the word order doesn't affect the meaning of the term doesn't make it any less correct.
    Please then...explain with definitions what it is your "order" (by the way, I used the order YOU provided. Forgive me for taking your typed words to be in the order you typed them) is stating? You see, I actually provided definitions of words to explain what it appears you're saying (since I know you're big on technical definitions as part of an argument). If it's something else, please...do tell us. I'm extremely interested to see where seriouesness of the conversation or amount of words stated are part of the definitions since you're now adding that as criteria.

    You suggest I have reading comprehension issues. Please, back it up with an explanation of substance rather than simple pontification and bluster. I provided the definition basis for my understanding of the words you wrote in gigantic script. You disagree...lets see yo uback it up with something.

    If you meant "national topic of conversation" instead of "Topic of National Conversation" then why did you write the letter in 40 point script instead of the former? Why did you write the order of the words all these different times:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Things that become a topic of national conversation
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    Pseudo-events are not the "topic of national conversation"
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    False. I have been very consistent in pointing out that things which are not huge deals do not become "topics of national conversation".
    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    See how he moved form "topic of national conversation"
    If your were suggesting that the SUBJECT matter somehow had to be "national" rather than the scope of the conversation, then you should've placed the adjective in the correct location prior to topic. Don't blame me for misreading the words you THINK in your head and instead actually going off the ones you typed repeatedly.

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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Zyph: You've hit on teh key to your misunderstanding with your connection to the group thing.

    In order to be a national conversation, the conversation must be engaged in as a nation.

    If every player on a team has a discussion about an irrelveant topic individually amongst themselves, that is not a team discussion. For example, if every player on a basketball team, at some point, discusses Kim K's vag, did they have a team discussion about Kim K's vag? No, of course not. A team discussion is a different thing than a discussion which all of the members of a team had. A team discussion relates to the team, for one.

    This national conversation is being had AS a nation, and it relates to the nation (our views, our prejudices, our acceptance, etc.).

    That's why there was no moving of the goal posts by me. I've stayed consistent in my understanding of a national conversation, which also happens to be the correct understanding of that term.
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    Re: Jason Collins (NBA Center) announces that he is gay, altering the landscape of sp

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If your were suggesting that the SUBJECT matter somehow had to be "national" rather than the scope of the conversation, then you should've placed the adjective in the correct location prior to topic. Don't blame me for misreading the words you THINK in your head and instead actually going off the ones you typed repeatedly.
    I just explained it further in post #619, but the simple fact is that a national conversation must be a conversation which is had AS a nation about the nation, much like a team conversation has to be done AS a team, about the team.
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